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China is choking the Internet

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Re: China is choking the Internet

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Post by dublinclontarf »

bcl wrote: post #40
jacquesm wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. Why? Two of my friends are doing the exact same thing (only their businesses are registered) and they're doing just fine. One moved there from the Netherlands, the other from Hungary. > And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there. Neither can I, but that's no…

As a start I will point you here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Peoples_Rep... (note: that should be People's the HN url detector clobbers it) There are enough other sites with information on China's civil rights abuses that you should be able to duck Duck Go it ;) Living in a country with little or no respect for the law and expecting a reasonable outcome is not rational. You cannot extrapolate t…

I really recomend you read chinalawblog.com it's a great blog and can give you a picture of the law situation in China, which for some things is better than most think.

Re: China is choking the Internet

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Post by lesterbuck »

grandalf wrote: post #28

Sign up for a $20 slice at slice host, install squid, and configure a ssh tunnel to it. Tell your browser to use the tunneled proxy. Voilà. Edit: just saw two others recommended this approach.

Since he is on a shoe string budget, there are plenty of cheaper VPS solutions, many under $7/mo. I had one for $3.84/mo for awhile. Latest deals are collected at http://lowendbox.com

Re: China is choking the Internet

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Post by dublinclontarf »

jacquesm wrote: post #10
dublinclontarf wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I came here because my wife missed home, and the business isn't official(that is, isn't registered which because I'm not Chinese takes a lot of time and money and could very well be flat out rejected, have a read of some posts at China Law Blog http://www.chinalawblog.com/ , they cover the details). Basically this is something I've just gone ahead and started, will work my ass off to make work, and if it doe…

Ok. how about your own very private VPN to a machine abroad somehwere ? I'm willing to host it for free for you if you play nice just to get you out of the bind you're in. Mail me if you're game.

Got it, thanks, working great.

Re: China is choking the Internet

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Post by garply »

dublinclontarf, I live in and run a business in China. I solve my problems with a VPN. I find the GFW an annoyance, but not a huge one. It mostly just means my connection is slower when I access certain sites. Do you live in Beijing? I'd be happy to meet up with you if you're in the area.

Re: China is choking the Internet

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Post by hga »

jacquesm wrote: post #48
hga wrote: post #39

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Indeed, but it's still within the confines of the rule of law. He could have avoided this unhappy conclusion by either not accepting business from the US that is illegal here or never stepping foot in the US. Heck, he could have joined Antigua in bringing this before the WTO in 2003: http://www.antiguawto.com/WTODispPg.html The law was published, well publicized and I find it very difficult to believe he didn't know…

If it is legal to smoke pot in Amsterdam, but illegal to do it in the US would you consider it ok for US law enforcement to jail visitors that have smoked pot in Amsterdam, or sold pot to United States citizens?

I don't believe this has anything to do with what you or I think is OK, I think it has to do with the rule of law and how that helps or hinders businesses.

Having reasonably clear constitutions (big C and small c), laws and rules allows one to plan for the future and focus on serving customers and the like instead of worrying if the state will inadvertently shut you down (I assume we're both assuming that what the poster is trying to do as a business is not against PRC state policy, it's just collateral damage).

Re: China is choking the Internet

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Post by tlrobinson »

bcl wrote: post #43
grandalf wrote: post #28

Sign up for a $20 slice at slice host, install squid, and configure a ssh tunnel to it. Tell your browser to use the tunneled proxy. Voilà. Edit: just saw two others recommended this approach.

The problem with this is the same as for services like dropbox. If enough people do this they will start blocking the slicehost IPs. To be successful you need to have * IP usage distributed over a wide range * private distribution of proxy details * ability to switch to a new proxy when your current one is blocked Tor tries to accomplish most of this, but from the OP's post it appears that it is being effectively blo…

Does Tor use encryption between nodes? If so that should solve the deep packet inspection, right? If not, why not?

Re: China is choking the Internet

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Post by garply »

bcl wrote: post #21

Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there. The only real solution to your problem is to move to a free country. Take it while you till have that option. As far as technical solutions, how good are they at tracking down individual, private VPN sessions? Setup…

I voluntarily live in China and in many ways prefer living here to living in my homeland (the US). Otherwise, why would I be here? The food's great, the economy's great, people are friendly if you try to understand the culture, cost of living is low, and there's plenty of interesting historical stuff all around. Not to mention it's a very fascinating time to be here as you can see the most populous nation on Earth rapidly undergoing social and technological change.

Just don't get so hung up on the politics and you'll find that the water's warm :)

Re: China is choking the Internet

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Post by hga »

jacquesm wrote: post #45
bcl wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a start I will point you here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Peoples_Rep... (note: that should be People's the HN url detector clobbers it) There are enough other sites with information on China's civil rights abuses that you should be able to duck Duck Go it ;) Living in a country with little or no respect for the law and expecting a reasonable outcome is not rational. You cannot extrapolate t…

That link points in to empty space, and even if it didn't I highly doubt you'll find a single documented case of a foreigner operating a business in China that was jailed, unless they were doing something illegal. Simply asking for resources with a statement that you'll be forced to leave if you can't work will most likely not result in a jail sentence or even any action at all. Without proof that's just scaremongeri…

Your first sentence is a circular argument when the state gets to arbitrarily define what's illegal and notoriously includes legally undefined "state secrets" that have extended to basic economic information ... or anything that embarrasses someone in power.
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