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China is choking the Internet

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Re: China is choking the Internet

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Sign up for a $20 slice at slice host, install squid, and configure a ssh tunnel to it. Tell your browser to use the tunneled proxy. Voilà. Edit: just saw two others recommended this approach.

I lived in China for years, I recommend this approach....

Re: China is choking the Internet

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post #21

Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there. The only real solution to your problem is to move to a free country. Take it while you till have that option. As far as technical solutions, how good are they at tracking down individual, private VPN sessions? Setup…

> Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. Why? Two of my friends are doing the exact same thing (only their businesses are registered) and they're doing just fine. One moved there from the Netherlands, the other from Hungary. > And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there. Neither can I, but that's no…

>> Take it while you till have that option. >Are you suggesting they will restrict his ability to travel? Jail him perhaps?

I think he meant to say, "while there are still free countries in this world".

Re: China is choking the Internet

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post #21

Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there. The only real solution to your problem is to move to a free country. Take it while you till have that option. As far as technical solutions, how good are they at tracking down individual, private VPN sessions? Setup…

> Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. Why? Two of my friends are doing the exact same thing (only their businesses are registered) and they're doing just fine. One moved there from the Netherlands, the other from Hungary. > And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there. Neither can I, but that's no…

"You mean a free country like the US perhaps:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-08/betonsports-ex-c... "

I don't find it difficult to distinguish a country which by and large abides by the rule of law---even if one thinks upon occasion that the law is an ass---with a country that barely pretends.

And we don't know what's going to be the long term consequences of the PRC's steadily increasing crackdown on the Internet. The current ruling class is clearly determined to not see a repeat of Tiananmen Square; not getting in their way strikes me as a very good idea, even if that means running a normal Internet business has become impossible.

Re: China is choking the Internet

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But be prepared to die under the treads of a tank.

The Tiananmen Square protests were in 1989, well before the rise of widespread internet usage, I wonder if given the speed with which information moves around these days if the government of China would risk a second confrontation in the public eye like that. While the OP states clearly that the government is doing a lot to crack down on communication with foreign entities I can't help but think that communication in…

I think you're correct, but China still tries its best to crack down on this. Remember the iPhone is sold in China without wifi. Probably to cut down on this exactly.

Re: China is choking the Internet

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. Why? Two of my friends are doing the exact same thing (only their businesses are registered) and they're doing just fine. One moved there from the Netherlands, the other from Hungary. > And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there. Neither can I, but that's no…

" You mean a free country like the US perhaps: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-08/betonsports-ex-c... " I don't find it difficult to distinguish a country which by and large abides by the rule of law---even if one thinks upon occasion that the law is an ass---with a country that barely pretends. And we don't know what's going to be the long term consequences of the PRC's steadily increasing crackdown on the…

I gave that example because the entrepreneur it writes about was a foreigner visiting the US with a business outside of the US where his activities were legal.

Re: China is choking the Internet

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For 20USD/mo you can setup a VPS and create your own vpn service using openswan. Is 20USD/mo too much?

From the original posting:

"[...] even if I had the cash I don't have a credit card that can make payments in $US to buy VPN access"

And avoiding a paper trail is wise if things eventually get ugly.

Re: China is choking the Internet

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" You mean a free country like the US perhaps: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-08/betonsports-ex-c... " I don't find it difficult to distinguish a country which by and large abides by the rule of law---even if one thinks upon occasion that the law is an ass---with a country that barely pretends. And we don't know what's going to be the long term consequences of the PRC's steadily increasing crackdown on the…

I gave that example because the entrepreneur it writes about was a foreigner visiting the US with a business outside of the US where his activities were legal.

Indeed, but it's still within the confines of the rule of law. He could have avoided this unhappy conclusion by either not accepting business from the US that is illegal here or never stepping foot in the US.

Heck, he could have joined Antigua in bringing this before the WTO in 2003: http://www.antiguawto.com/WTODispPg.html

The law was published, well publicized and I find it very difficult to believe he didn't know or ever question why 98% of his business was as a result of it. That's different in nature from web sites steadily disappearing due to the Great Firewall of China. You could of course assume that any access you have to the outside will disappear some day, but you then wouldn't build a business that is based on international Internet access.

Re: China is choking the Internet

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Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there. The only real solution to your problem is to move to a free country. Take it while you till have that option. As far as technical solutions, how good are they at tracking down individual, private VPN sessions? Setup…

> Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. Why? Two of my friends are doing the exact same thing (only their businesses are registered) and they're doing just fine. One moved there from the Netherlands, the other from Hungary. > And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there. Neither can I, but that's no…

As a start I will point you here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Peoples_Rep... (note: that should be People's the HN url detector clobbers it)

There are enough other sites with information on China's civil rights abuses that you should be able to duck Duck Go it ;)

Living in a country with little or no respect for the law and expecting a reasonable outcome is not rational. You cannot extrapolate the experiences of your friends to cover the whole system, you don't have enough data. History shows us that China can be very ruthless in enforcing their idea of laws.

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