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Re: China is choking the Internet

#21
Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there.

The only real solution to your problem is to move to a free country. Take it while you till have that option.

As far as technical solutions, how good are they at tracking down individual, private VPN sessions? Setup OpenVPN on a friend's server and don't advertise it.

Re: China is choking the Internet

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's posted below that his business is not registered, so there is nothing to get uppity about. Also, after moving out there is not much to gain from the situation any more so any time you invest in to getting 'uppity' is wasted. On another note, I wonder how much of the paranoia is really warranted and how much of it is based on media hype, I have two friends working in China and they're managing to get along with g…

You don't get "uppity" with Chinese officials. You either have a good connection to the government or you can do squat. Government ties is everything if you really want to get your business going. The real problem is the international companies providing all this nifty IT tech to actually realize this 1984 path what is going on in China.

Yes, they're a real pain. I don't think it is as much that they don't realize it, they just see it as a way to make money. Take Cisco for example: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/05/leaked-cisco-do/

Re: China is choking the Internet

#23
post #13

Rent a VPS or dedicated server outside china and use an SSH proxy. Linux: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/06/18/tunnel-web-and-dns-tr... Windows: http://www.dotcomunderground.com/blogs/2008/12/11/putty-ssh-...

Expect everything going through the great firewall to be slow. Also I wonder if they will allow encrypted connections over a longer period at all if they already run a app firewall.

Re: China is choking the Internet

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post #21

Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China. And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there. The only real solution to your problem is to move to a free country. Take it while you till have that option. As far as technical solutions, how good are they at tracking down individual, private VPN sessions? Setup…

> Quite frankly I think you are nuts for voluntarily living in China.

Why? Two of my friends are doing the exact same thing (only their businesses are registered) and they're doing just fine. One moved there from the Netherlands, the other from Hungary.

> And trying to run a business off the books? The punishment for that is severe enough here in the US, I cannot imagine what it is there.

Neither can I, but that's not the same as having information.

> The only real solution to your problem is to move to a free country.

His s.o. wants to be in China, that's a tough choice you're giving him there.

You mean a free country like the US perhaps:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-08/betonsports-ex-c...

> Take it while you till have that option.

Are you suggesting they will restrict his ability to travel? Jail him perhaps?

Re: China is choking the Internet

#26
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's posted below that his business is not registered, so there is nothing to get uppity about. Also, after moving out there is not much to gain from the situation any more so any time you invest in to getting 'uppity' is wasted. On another note, I wonder how much of the paranoia is really warranted and how much of it is based on media hype, I have two friends working in China and they're managing to get along with g…

You don't get "uppity" with Chinese officials. You either have a good connection to the government or you can do squat. Government ties is everything if you really want to get your business going. The real problem is the international companies providing all this nifty IT tech to actually realize this 1984 path what is going on in China.

Please name names.

Re: China is choking the Internet

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post #26
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't get "uppity" with Chinese officials. You either have a good connection to the government or you can do squat. Government ties is everything if you really want to get your business going. The real problem is the international companies providing all this nifty IT tech to actually realize this 1984 path what is going on in China.

Please name names.

Cisco, Nortel (now Avaya).

source: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=4854

There may be others though.

Re: China is choking the Internet

#29
post #19

How long will China tolerate VPNs? While they are an essential tool for international business, they also completely defeat the firewall.

The chinese government don't care about VPN that target people with credit cards that can pay in US dollars because most local chinese won't have access to that and those that do are also likely to travel abroad and be exposed to all that information anyway...

Re: China is choking the Internet

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post #23
post #13

Rent a VPS or dedicated server outside china and use an SSH proxy. Linux: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/06/18/tunnel-web-and-dns-tr... Windows: http://www.dotcomunderground.com/blogs/2008/12/11/putty-ssh-...

Expect everything going through the great firewall to be slow. Also I wonder if they will allow encrypted connections over a longer period at all if they already run a app firewall.

That's what I'm doing, it's not very slow (or at least I don't really feel the difference)...

I don't think they'll ever block encrypted connections because that would deal a major blow to the foreign companies working here.

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