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Re: First they came for the Iranians

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Post by noobermin »

edmccard wrote: post #345
guildwriter wrote: post #326

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That's fair, let me go into more detail. I know a lot of people who fervently believe that Trump is the second coming of Hitler. If you dig around on Twitter it won't be long before you find this sentiment practically everywhere. It's not "could be a fascist" it is "actually is a fascist and we need to actively resist". This is not unique to Donald Trump. W Bush is the most recent example where Bush=Hitler was practi…

>I think it's fair to argue that it's a tenant of faith for liberals that all conservatives hate gays, hate minorities, hate women, etc. Well, to paraphrase your next sentence: "that these people exist in the Democratic party is impossible to deny, to tar and feather the entire Democratic party as this way is how we get to the binary world view." In particular, I am a liberal in a rural Pennsylvania county that voted…

I'm going to diverge from the topic, but do you really think those jobs will return given the cheapness now of solar and natural gas? The market without strings won't revive coal.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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Post by wheelerwj »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #304
mikeash wrote: post #300

Holy shit: > U.S. permanent residents (green card holders) who are outside of the United States may be barred from reentry. That's huge. I don't mean to diminish the importance of banning new immigrants and visitors on a religious basis, that's bad too. But banning people who have already legally immigrated from re-entering the country is completely nuts. There are no doubt people who have lived in this country for d…

I'm trying really hard not to be cynical, but...these measures aren't made with logic in mind. They are shiny objects thrown to the voter base which primarily lives segregated lives away from immigrants, H1Bs, or anyone else affected by this idiotic action. It is also likely that headline-grabbers like these are used as cover for more insidious schemes, and to quiet down constant claims of blatant corruption.

nothing about this last election is logical.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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Post by gspetr »

eternalban wrote: post #366
gspetr wrote: post #362

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Foundations for the case you're trying to make are not very persuasive: 3 out of 4 people on this list seem to have moved during a much friendlier Shah's regime, before the 1979 revolution which turned Iran into a theocracy.

The character of the Iranian people is not based on politics du jour, or even religion for that matter. Our civilization has been around for a few thousands years and it speaks for itself. [p.s.] Here are the words of one of our noted poets. He was a ("scary") Muslim, living in 13th century. This is what he had to say and this is our creed: Adam's sons are the members of the same body Their creation from the same cla…

You wish to tell me that the character of people is not based on religion in a theocracy, where the ruler is literally called "Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution"?

Iran executes over 1000 people every year using very barbaric methods every year: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/07/irans-stagger...

It does speak for itself that after thousands of years you ended up in one of the most backwards forms of government possible, though I'm not sure you realize the implications of what it speaks of.

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Post by alchemism »

StavrosK wrote: post #196
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #42

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On behalf of my fellow Americans, please allow me to offer you our deepest apology. Please know that most of our country doesn't hate or fear you. We will continue to do everything we can to fight this policy and others like it.

> We will continue to do everything we can to fight this policy and others like it. You say that, but I'm afraid the implication might be "short of doing anything that matters". Where are the protests? Why aren't people in the streets? Don't make the same mistake Germans did under Hitler. The government relies on each step affecting few enough people that nobody will be bothered enough to march, and after a thousand…

There are massive protests going on in Philadelphia right now, where President Trump and the entire Congress of Republicans are meeting to plan their strategy for the year.

It might be the largest street protest in Philadelphia's history.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/TrumpinPhilly?src=tren

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Re: First they came for the Iranians

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Post by EdHominem »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #376
EdHominem wrote: post #360

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Reality. I'm not saying the threat is low and you should suck it up, I'm saying the threat is nonexistent.

It's your freedom to say that, and my freedom to not agree with it.

How about trying to show that you're right rather than perpetuating baseless racism?

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Post by quirkafleeg »

eternalban wrote: post #281
throwaway2131 wrote: post #27

I am an Iranian CS student. I had a fully funded PhD admission at one of the US universities. I was admitted for the Fall 2016 semester. I am currently in Iran due to my visa not being issued despite the 7 months I have waited for it. I was able to defer my admission to Spring 2017 semester, but then _this_ happened. I am quite sure that I will never be able to attend this program. I had very high hopes for my future…

As some have mentioned here, you have other options. Iranian-Americans have been making serious, world-class [1][2][3][4], contribution to American society in a variety of fields. America's loss is some other nations' gain. Just a small sample: [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Javan [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotfi_A._Zadeh [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nima_Arkani-Hamed [4]: https://en.wikipedia.o…

Meanwhile every single one of the 9/11 hijackers would be allowed by Trump to enter the USA.

Decent people in the world are simply more likely to boycott the US as a result of xenophobic "America First" actions like this[1]. As you said, it's the USA's loss; the world is a big place.

[1] On top of the already established bullshit, described in threads like this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13453189

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Post by cplanas »

rpiguy wrote: post #278
helpfulanon wrote: post #173

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You make a noble point, but it will not change anything at this stage. I am human. As are all of us. My well of empathy for Trump's people has gone completely bone dry. I am past the tipping point. They elected an egotistical reality TV star, backed by a hostile foreign government, to the White House and he's taking a wrecking ball to every institution of federal government exactly as one would have expected him to.…

No Republican was duped. He's doing exactly what he said he was going to do. Temporary ban on immigration, build a wall, take an axe to the bloated federal government, can the TPP, next week we should get our first conservative supreme court nominee. Even better it is driving leftists into a rage, showing everyone where the real bullying and violence comes from - the Left! I have never been more hopeful about the fut…

> Temporary ban on immigration [...] I have never been more hopeful about the future!

I was curious about you -there are not many that support your positions in HN- and I checked your past comments. You seem to be an immigrant too, as you define yourself as a "Valley startup expat". If that's the case, how can you support a ban on immigration -even if it's temporary- being an immigrant yourself? Don't get offended, I'm genuinely curious.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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Post by helpfulanon »

rpiguy wrote: post #278
helpfulanon wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make a noble point, but it will not change anything at this stage. I am human. As are all of us. My well of empathy for Trump's people has gone completely bone dry. I am past the tipping point. They elected an egotistical reality TV star, backed by a hostile foreign government, to the White House and he's taking a wrecking ball to every institution of federal government exactly as one would have expected him to.…

No Republican was duped. He's doing exactly what he said he was going to do. Temporary ban on immigration, build a wall, take an axe to the bloated federal government, can the TPP, next week we should get our first conservative supreme court nominee. Even better it is driving leftists into a rage, showing everyone where the real bullying and violence comes from - the Left! I have never been more hopeful about the fut…

The pendulum swings both ways, and right now it is swinging faster and harder than ever before in this country. When it swings back, in a tsunami of the unrelenting rage and profound hatred for the other side, there will be blood. That is the future.

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Post by Analemma_ »

tiatia wrote: post #65
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #46

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It's a bit more interesting wrt. most 9/11 hijackers being Saudis: I think it's pretty much confirmed at this point that it was a deliberate choice by al Qaida, attempting to deteriorate US-Saudi relations. But as long as Saudis are omitted from this regulation, it's pretty ineffective. Then again, how much of "terrorism legislation" is actually preventing terrorism, as opposed to extending the powers of police and p…

"It's a bit more interesting wrt. most 9/11 hijackers being Saudis: I think it's pretty much confirmed at this point that it was a deliberate choice by al Qaida, attempting to deteriorate US-Saudi relations." I think that Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest problem in the world. In fact, I wish Trump would have banned them too or even suggested a regime change: 1. http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2…

> For Iran I have high hopes. They started the fundamentalist bullshit

Please try to learn even the slightest thing about this subject before you make statements so confidently. Wahhabism started in Saudi Arabia in the early 20th century and spread due to Saudi oil money in the 30's and 40's. Meanwhile Iran was a pluralistic society right up until 1979.

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