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Re: Mirroring US climate data

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Post by sandworm101 »

jcranmer wrote: post #120
sandworm101 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go look at any list of recently-cancelled television shows. You will be shocked at the number of them that you liked, but have now slipped from your mind. Public memory is fickle and it is very possible to remove even widespread facts. Example: a few years back a uk submarine was stuck high aground. As the tide went out the prop was exposed. I and a billion other people saw it live on bbc news. (Blue poly fins, at le…

Is http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/49616000/jpg/_... what you are referring to? Second result for me when searching Google Image Search for "bbc uk stuck submarine."

But find the image of the prop half out of the water. Thats the super-secret thing they were so embarrased about. Those images have been surgically removed from the internet.

The full story involves a dilema between forcing the boat off the ground, and risk stripping its super-secret rubber coatings that might then be collected by russian agents, or letting the tide go out and expose the prop to the media.

Re: Mirroring US climate data

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Post by hunterwerlla »

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #64
hunterwerlla wrote: post #10

In torrent form: http://climatetorrent.com/ Torrents are a great way of maintaining data integrity and allowing future sharing easily.

Thanks, is this yours? It would be great if the homepage displayed a short description of the different torrents/datasets, their sizes/contents, and the number of seeders for each. That would greatly help me decide which one(s) to prioritize helping out with, as I don't have resources to keep a copy of it all.

I don't know who is behind this, I just saw it on /r/DataHoarder

Re: Mirroring US climate data

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Post by fisherjeff »

cool_look wrote: post #118

So now we have complete polarisation. Left leaning people will not accept any science generated under a Right leaning government and as we already know Right leaning people find it hard to trust the science coming from a Left leaning government.

Eh, no. This isn't about not accepting scientific output under a Republican president – science was well received under Bush, as I recall, and will continue to be under Trump.

This is about the fear of losing scientific data that has already been produced.

Re: Mirroring US climate data

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Post by dyukqu »

gramstrong wrote: post #111
dyukqu wrote: post #107

Slightly off-topic, but my guess is that the next 4 years will be the golden age of privacy (in general), file-sharing and maybe even distributed web & federated services - for the US at least .

Do you mean the golden age of private infrastructure, or the golden age of folks combatting a non-private infrastructure? Because from my point of view, privacy in the US is only going to continue to get worse (and that's not even necessarily a dig at the current administration).

What I mean is (I guess) people will be seriously considering their privacy - especially online/digital one.

Re: Mirroring US climate data

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Post by cool_look »

fisherjeff wrote: post #123
cool_look wrote: post #118

So now we have complete polarisation. Left leaning people will not accept any science generated under a Right leaning government and as we already know Right leaning people find it hard to trust the science coming from a Left leaning government.

Eh, no. This isn't about not accepting scientific output under a Republican president – science was well received under Bush, as I recall, and will continue to be under Trump. This is about the fear of losing scientific data that has already been produced.

On the surface it is about preventing deletion.

But the subtext is that any 'discoveries' or 'corrections' will be rejected out of hand.

The prime ones being the recent corrections to the land temperature record that cooled the 1930s and 1940s and heated 2009 onwards yielding a steady linear increase graphic.

When those corrections are placed under the microscope and likely reversed, what will the reaction be ? Scientific shills of the Republicans are making up Alternative Facts... here is our precious archived dataset that true believers can reference.

Re: Mirroring US climate data

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Post by fenollp »

Alternative facts will push us to find a way to discontinue them.

What is left to do to have truly open computation? * somewhat-to completely free computational power?: CircleCI, Travis CI, whatever * open source repositories to run code from?: Github hooks and others * trusting trust? * open hardware? * decentralized websites?

Re: Mirroring US climate data

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Post by switchbak »

wybiral wrote: post #89
angry_octet wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not sufficient to have a record of facts when others have alternative facts. To your signed record of facts they would just introduce alternate facts with alternative signatures and claim you had made it up. Normal people don't have the tools or experience to differentiate, and the alternative facts support a story they want to believe, rather than hard truths. News media won't even mention your so-called 'real…

The US government can't make all of the real scientists out there just disappear. Climate models have an impact on many different fields of research and unless there's a total shutdown of science (which seems absurd) those people and facts will still be there. There's a portion of the population who's wanted to deny climate change for a long time and I believe they'll accept the alt-facts to justify their position. B…

The previous Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper did just this, muzzling or shutting down essentially any form of scientific research that was politically inconvenient.

The chilling effect can be very real, and I think you'd be surprised how quickly it can take hold. And Harper was an absolute pussycat compared to Trump.

Re: Mirroring US climate data

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Post by sandworm101 »

wybiral wrote: post #119
sandworm101 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go look at any list of recently-cancelled television shows. You will be shocked at the number of them that you liked, but have now slipped from your mind. Public memory is fickle and it is very possible to remove even widespread facts. Example: a few years back a uk submarine was stuck high aground. As the tide went out the prop was exposed. I and a billion other people saw it live on bbc news. (Blue poly fins, at le…

> Go look at any list of recently-cancelled television shows. You will be shocked at the number of them that you liked, but have now slipped from your mind. Public memory is fickle and it is very possible to remove even widespread facts. Change and censorship aren't synonymous and I have no expectation that anything will last forever. But it's easier to ignore and forget about something like a television show than so…

Id say that mass-censorship isnt the goal. You only have to keep a small mumber of influential americans distracted. That group (the perhaps 25% who have both a vote and money/time to donate), they dictate national policy. Everyone else can scream all they want to no end. The internet allows for such focused censorship.

Re: Mirroring US climate data

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Post by wybiral »

sandworm101 wrote: post #121
jcranmer wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/49616000/jpg/_... what you are referring to? Second result for me when searching Google Image Search for "bbc uk stuck submarine."

But find the image of the prop half out of the water. Thats the super-secret thing they were so embarrased about. Those images have been surgically removed from the internet. The full story involves a dilema between forcing the boat off the ground, and risk stripping its super-secret rubber coatings that might then be collected by russian agents, or letting the tide go out and expose the prop to the media.

Still, I'd expect media companies to be more likely to comply with orders to remove military secrets than to remove scientific data.

But you're right, censorship happens. How do we prevent it?

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