What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
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Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
#2 Chinese students are products of an educational system that, for all of its high achievers, is built to suppress intellectual curiosity, creativity and individuality – the very qualities that American admissions officers value most.
The fairly well documented[0][1][2] truth here is that American universities are using qualities like "leadership" to justify what is really a quota on Asian students.
I totally understand that none of the evidence is conclusive, but the fact that this is happening to Asian American students, who for the most part never go through the Chinese educational system this particular article blames, should at least cast a good amount of doubt on their claim.
[0] http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-harberson-asian-a...
[1] http://www.wsj.com/articles/asian-american-organizations-see...
[2] https://priceonomics.com/post/48794283011/do-elite-colleges-...
Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
#3They forgot to mention the SEVIS record madness (want to know what the muslim registry will look like?), I20, being heckled or killed in the streets and casual border crossing racism by the CBP.
Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
#4Cynically, I imagine it's a similar process to what many American students go through to get into top American universities.
Step 1: Win the sperm lottery
Step 2: Get Daddy or Mommy to write a big-ass check to build some building on campus.
Step 3: Don't screw up completely.
Step 4: Profit!
Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
#5Cynically, I imagine it's a similar process to what many American students go through to get into top American universities. Step 1: Win the sperm lottery Step 2: Get Daddy or Mommy to write a big-ass check to build some building on campus. Step 3: Don't screw up completely. Step 4: Profit!
In high stakes games like college admissions, the pressure to win drives many people to commit fraud. I am skeptical that Chinese parents are committing fraud in greater numbers than American parents- it's just easier for admissions officers to filter and check the Chinese applicants (via interview to check the validity of the TOEFL score, as described in the article).
It would be interesting to read about what all parents do, instead of joining the popular parade of articles dehumanizing the Chinese.
Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
#6Cynically, I imagine it's a similar process to what many American students go through to get into top American universities. Step 1: Win the sperm lottery Step 2: Get Daddy or Mommy to write a big-ass check to build some building on campus. Step 3: Don't screw up completely. Step 4: Profit!
In high stakes games like college admissions, the pressure to win drives many people to commit fraud. I am skeptical that Chinese parents are committing fraud in greater numbers than American parents- it's just easier for admissions officers to filter and check the Chinese applicants (via interview to check the validity of the TOEFL score, as described in the article). It would be interesting to read about what all p…
>instead of joining the popular parade of articles dehumanizing the Chinese.
Did you read TFA? The entire thing is written from the perspective of individuals and their struggle.
Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
#7Cynically, I imagine it's a similar process to what many American students go through to get into top American universities. Step 1: Win the sperm lottery Step 2: Get Daddy or Mommy to write a big-ass check to build some building on campus. Step 3: Don't screw up completely. Step 4: Profit!
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Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
#8Chinese students are products of an educational system that, for all of its high achievers, is built to suppress intellectual curiosity, creativity and individuality – the very qualities that American admissions officers value most. Let's not pretend Chinese students are turned away because they lack individuality. The fairly well documented[0][1][2] truth here is that American universities are using qualities like "…
There's a big difference between the discrimination against Asian-American students (which does happen) and discrimination against students from Asia. For one, public universities exist mostly to educate people from the state they are based, and can justify discriminating against people outside the state and even more against people who don't live in states which exchange students with that state (i.e. people outside the country).
Private universities can also say that one of their main purposes is to educate the population of the countries that they are based in.
None of this justifies discriminating against Asian-American students, which is truly unjust, and shouldn't be confused for justifiable discrimination.
Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
#9They forgot to mention the SEVIS record madness (want to know what the muslim registry will look like?), I20, being heckled or killed in the streets and casual border crossing racism by the CBP.
> being heckled or killed in the streets
huh?
>casual border crossing racism by the CBP.
I had an "immigration office" tell me "you will be kicked out like dogs if these documents don't verify". My dad swore off visiting me in America due to his similar experience, I don't blame him. What decent person would put up with this, why do they do this?
Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
#10Chinese students are products of an educational system that, for all of its high achievers, is built to suppress intellectual curiosity, creativity and individuality – the very qualities that American admissions officers value most. Let's not pretend Chinese students are turned away because they lack individuality. The fairly well documented[0][1][2] truth here is that American universities are using qualities like "…
Admissions try to get a well-rounded student body rather than many well-rounded students but the Asian-American "tiger-mom" phenomena is not a joke for elite college admissions officers. They really do see large numbers of what are known (in derogatory terms) as Asian-clones: 4.0 GPA, violin or piano skills, and no authentic detectable motivation other than getting high grades for the purpose of becoming a doctor or lawyer.