Live data from Hacker News

First they came for the Iranians

scottaaronson.com

191–200 of 460 posts

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#191

I am an Iranian CS student. I had a fully funded PhD admission at one of the US universities. I was admitted for the Fall 2016 semester. I am currently in Iran due to my visa not being issued despite the 7 months I have waited for it. I was able to defer my admission to Spring 2017 semester, but then _this_ happened. I am quite sure that I will never be able to attend this program. I had very high hopes for my future…

I'm so sorry :(

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#192
post #179
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Killing is different than terrorism, US military is involved in killing in many countries as well!

> Killing is different than terrorism, US military is involved >in killing in many countries as well! Terrorism is a relative term.

Thanks for downvote. However it was nice if you could educate why is it not.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#193
post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump very clearly represents the will of an immense number of people and may represent the will of the majority of Americans in fact. For both Clinton and Trump that representation is far beyond those that actually voted. Clinton's camp will be the first to tell you that supposedly a lot of her supporters didn't vote in the election. You say Trump represents straight white males (you imply that's all he represents).…

The only relevant fact here is that millions more people voted against Trump than for him. The top reason people voted for Trump wasn't to support him or his policies, it was that he wasn't Clinton ( http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/21/in-their-own-words-wh... ). His approval rating is below 50% ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-app... ). Trump doesn't represent the majority in any sense o…

While the other sibling comments showed the voting data, it need to be added that the top reason people voted for either candidate was that their candidate weren't the other candidate. Two of the three slogans of the Clinton campaign reflected this with "I'm With Her (and not with him)" and "Love Trumps Hate".

For approval ratings, the same goes. Both candidates had the worst approval rating of any candidate in US history. A rather clear message that neither of the two dominating political parties in the US represent the people.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#194
This is the first time in my life that I don't feel safe in my own country. There is literally no difference between me (someone born in the US whose parents came here from Iran in the 90s), and people my age living in Iran right now who want to come to the US for a better education.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#195
It's unclear what Trump is trying to accomplish here. It seems stupid and I feel bad for the people whose lives it diverts or puts in hold. But the Nazi comparison either trivializes the Holocaust or unfairly hitlerizes Donald Trump for what may be a legitimate concern over technology transfer to a country that actively opposes US interests. There are plenty of countries that suspend student visas without going on to murder millions of people, and indeed we did exactly that under Jimmy Carter for much longer than thirty days. Standing up for students and education and science is an important duty for a professor, and I hope he'll continue with it, but this kind of hyperbole doesn't seem helpful.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#196

I am an Iranian CS student. I had a fully funded PhD admission at one of the US universities. I was admitted for the Fall 2016 semester. I am currently in Iran due to my visa not being issued despite the 7 months I have waited for it. I was able to defer my admission to Spring 2017 semester, but then _this_ happened. I am quite sure that I will never be able to attend this program. I had very high hopes for my future…

On behalf of my fellow Americans, please allow me to offer you our deepest apology. Please know that most of our country doesn't hate or fear you. We will continue to do everything we can to fight this policy and others like it.

> We will continue to do everything we can to fight this policy and others like it.

You say that, but I'm afraid the implication might be "short of doing anything that matters". Where are the protests? Why aren't people in the streets? Don't make the same mistake Germans did under Hitler. The government relies on each step affecting few enough people that nobody will be bothered enough to march, and after a thousand little steps, you have a totalitarian government.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#197
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US gets only 8.1% of its oil from Saudi Arabia now, and that's dropping each year. The US is at last in a position to tell Saudi Arabia where to get off.

Isn't it true, that the second US tells Saudi Arabia where they can stick their oil, they will become best friends with Russia? And isn't this the reason why US tries to keep good relations with them,despite the whole country being a cancer of humanity?

A whole country a cancer to humanity?

I suspect this sort of generalization is what caused the student visa problem in the first place.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#198
post #94

The strength of this professor's protest comes from that fact that he puts skin in the game via his request to be deported himself before his students are. Self-sacrifice sends a powerful message, and in my recollection, many consequential protests from history have been grounded in it.

It's cute signaling. It won't happen. Even if it would, he'd settle in nicely into his new professorship at Technion.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#200

It's unclear what Trump is trying to accomplish here. It seems stupid and I feel bad for the people whose lives it diverts or puts in hold. But the Nazi comparison either trivializes the Holocaust or unfairly hitlerizes Donald Trump for what may be a legitimate concern over technology transfer to a country that actively opposes US interests. There are plenty of countries that suspend student visas without going on to…

> But the Nazi comparison either trivializes the Holocaust or unfairly hitlerizes Donald Trump for what may be a legitimate concern over technology transfer to a country that actively opposes US interests.

It does neither. Warning that "that's how Germany started" doesn't mean that banning visas is as severe as burning people, or saying that trump will burn people. It means that one should be careful because these are warning signs, and one should act cautiously and nip them in the bud.

You don't see doctors saying "you probably have a cold, but it might be pneumonia, but I won't prescribe strong medication because that will trivialize pneumonia or unfairly characterize your cold". Just be careful with what's going on, and protest all these changes that bode ill in addition to writing blog posts.

Post reply on HN