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Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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Re: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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When I eat carbs, I put on weight. When I don't, I lose weight. However, other people I know are the opposite. Quite honestly, I think you can't generalise 'diets' or eating advice as, frankly, it would appear that different people's bodies work in slightly different ways. This could explain the vast array of different advice that, often times, seems contradictory.

Your comment is absolutely spot on [1].

[1] http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(15)01481-6

Re: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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Some of the conclusions seem a little quacky here to me - like "avoid ingredients you can't pronounce" and a lot of "avoid processed anything". While I'm sure there's some arguable benefits to these things, I think it's paranoid or stupid to dismiss something just for being "processed". What the heck does that mean anyway? All our food is processed in one form or another and nothing about something being more process…

My personal rule of thumb with "processed" food is: Would I be happy to do the same process in my own kitchen if I had the time and equipment?

Re: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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Not exactly true. For the same amount of calories, the quality of food may or may not impact your weight. You can eat 4000 calories/day in banana and loose weight, but eat 2500 in cheese burger and gain. I tested that on myself. The body does not blindnessly store excess in absorbed energy. It stores fat for many other reasons. One of them is to regulate the blood PH: if you saturate your organism with too much toxic…

„You can eat 4000 calories/day in banana and loose weight, but eat 2500 in cheese burger and gain.“ This my friend, is not true. Not true in like...completely false. (source: Bodybuilding for a long long time...dieting 6 months every year...bulking up the other 6 months of the year...been counting every calorie for years)

Again I tested it on myself. I tried so many diets it's not funny:

- full prot diet;

- mono-diet;

- fasting;

- raw food diet;

- veggie;

- vegan;

- classic 'balanced diet';

- body-building diet where you weight your chicken;

- and of course the good old "student-fast-food" diet.

I usually take blood samples before and after and graph my weight and IMC.

Re: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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> if you can abide by this rule you will loose the weight This is the key point and it makes all the difference. You need to be able to stay on the diet for a sufficiently long time, and that's why different approaches are needed fro different people. If you eat carbs you need to measure carefully every meal and calculate the calories, which to many people very quickly gets extremely annoying. On low carb diets you d…

This is dangerous advice though. Loose weight just by counting calories will not take in consideration toxicity (see my other comment in this thread). Many people burn fat this way, which release toxins they can't process. Hence their body is thin but saturated with poison. From here 2 things happens: - the person gains weight again to protect him/herself. Happens very often. - the person manage to not gain weight at…

This post is unscientific and literally nonsense. There's no such thing as a "toxin" and reducing your adipose fat tissue does not poison your body.

It's precisely this sort of magical thinking that the OP is trying to counter.

Re: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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I can eat anything and wont gain weight. It really seems like there is too much diversity in how we handle food inside our body. The best diet is to try some things(experiment) and do whatever works best, not what feels best. Too many of these diets read like they are the most fun thing to do in the world. Also a lot of people have the tendency to get their goal and then stop the diet only to gain weight again (then…

This is not exactly true. Yes, there is a big variance in the way people process food. But people also usually exhibits common characteristics: - they don't eat that much on average. While they may sometime eat a lot, if you what the quantity during one week, you'll see they eat less than most people. - they eat slowly. Those 2 things alone allow you to process a certain amount of unbalanced diet. BTW, if anybody wan…

Do you have a citation for your assertions - perhaps one with more specifics than unnamed "toxins"?

Re: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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I can eat anything and wont gain weight. It really seems like there is too much diversity in how we handle food inside our body. The best diet is to try some things(experiment) and do whatever works best, not what feels best. Too many of these diets read like they are the most fun thing to do in the world. Also a lot of people have the tendency to get their goal and then stop the diet only to gain weight again (then…

This is not exactly true. Yes, there is a big variance in the way people process food. But people also usually exhibits common characteristics: - they don't eat that much on average. While they may sometime eat a lot, if you what the quantity during one week, you'll see they eat less than most people. - they eat slowly. Those 2 things alone allow you to process a certain amount of unbalanced diet. BTW, if anybody wan…

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Re: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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The 'facts' that I referred to are the results of correlation studies as published in science journals. The diets you mention are mainstream fads. You're right, though, it is frustrating! My personal opinion is that it is the way we use food for pleasure and comfort that it is to blame. We are literally getting high on what we eat, which is deleterious for health if performed without break for long periods. But there…

You can get high on carbs or alcohol sure enough. Try getting high on protein or fat though. Telling carboholics they need to eat less food is like telling alcoholics they need to drink less liquid. It doesn't work - you've got to be more specific.

> Try getting high on protein or fat though.

Just give me a really juicy steak and I'll show you how to do that.

Re: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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post #71
post #28

When I eat carbs, I put on weight. When I don't, I lose weight. However, other people I know are the opposite. Quite honestly, I think you can't generalise 'diets' or eating advice as, frankly, it would appear that different people's bodies work in slightly different ways. This could explain the vast array of different advice that, often times, seems contradictory.

Your comment is absolutely spot on [1]. [1] http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(15)01481-6

I see the article talking about a „interpersonal variability in post-meal glucose levels“.

But there is no mention of the parent-comments main point „When I eat carbs, I put on weight“ .... which might be an indirect effect of a higher blood glucose level (more hungry) ...but definitely not a direct effect.

Re: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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post #28

When I eat carbs, I put on weight. When I don't, I lose weight. However, other people I know are the opposite. Quite honestly, I think you can't generalise 'diets' or eating advice as, frankly, it would appear that different people's bodies work in slightly different ways. This could explain the vast array of different advice that, often times, seems contradictory.

I can generalise diets pretty easy. Eat less calories than you burn and loose weight. Eat whatever you want if you can abide by this rule you will loose the weight. But to be healthy. Well you have to eat healthy to be healthy. And that means getting all the fat, carbs and protein your body needs. And what your body needs I agree you can't generalise.

I can't speak for anyone else but in my case, an excess of calories usually results in me being an awful lot hotter as my body burns off the extra energy. I'm not a biologist but I was under the impression that a release of insulin was required to store excess energy as fat? That would suggest it's more related to blood sugar spikes than actual energy consumed.

Re: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007)

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post #71

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Your comment is absolutely spot on [1]. [1] http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(15)01481-6

I see the article talking about a „interpersonal variability in post-meal glucose levels“. But there is no mention of the parent-comments main point „When I eat carbs, I put on weight“ .... which might be an indirect effect of a higher blood glucose level (more hungry) ...but definitely not a direct effect.

Not sure if i fully understood you correctly, but yes, I feel a lot more hungry when eatinv more carbs. A good example of this is toast: no matter how many slices i eat, i'm never full. It actually makes me just want to eat more....
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