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First they came for the Iranians

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Re: First they came for the Iranians

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I am not saying Iran is not involved, I am just saying US is doing the same thing. Keep in mind, Iran is not doing the bombing herself, it supports groups that are doing the attacks. US is supporting groups and governments that killd lots of people. How they are different?

You specifically called out the US Military in this case and now you're applying your comments to the entire US. Which one are you actually criticizing? Broadly speaking the US does some shady shit no doubt. Last I checked though we don't train people to walk into markets and blow themselves up. Arguing that because the US has blood on its hands, that makes it morally equivalent to people who actively support people…

> Last I checked though we don't train people to walk into ?>markets and blow themselves up.

Check again.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/737430/CIA-ISIS-Wikileak...

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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That's a good way to sweep data like this under the rug: (Left percent is Clinton, Right percent is Trump) White men 31% 63% White women 43 53 White women college graduates 51 45 White women non-college graduates 34 62 White men college graduates 39 54 White men non-college graduates 23 72 ( https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-ove... ) Like it or not, the fact of the matter is that claiming that…

Do you know any interview or documentary of talking to samples of these populations? I wonder very much what they think. The interviews so far for me personally were showing that they are "morally deaf", but I am sure that this is not all the story (I probably living in my bubble).

I can't suggest an interview or documentary, but if you want to keep tabs on how conservatives/republicans/midwesterners etc. think, I highly recommend reading this blog:

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/

Glenn Reynolds and his cadre of right leaning bloggers have a decent finger on the pulse of conservatives in general.

I try to read from as many opinions as possible from different sides. You'd be surprised how different the world is from another's eyes.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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What's more worrisome is how fervently anti-science the new administration is. Academics may eventually be persecuted in the US across the board - as they are already at the EPA, USDA etc - and regardless of citizenship. I firmly believe anyone with a brain should begin making contingency plans to regroup somewhere like Australia or Japan, outside of the reaches of far-right populism. An Erdogan-style academic purge…

An Erdogan style academic purge already happened. By the left in this country. http://www.wsj.com/articles/my-unhappy-life-as-a-climate-her...

A "purge" isn't getting criticized for being completely wrong. That's how science works.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/fivethirtyeight-pielke-down...

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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It's a bit more interesting wrt. most 9/11 hijackers being Saudis: I think it's pretty much confirmed at this point that it was a deliberate choice by al Qaida, attempting to deteriorate US-Saudi relations. But as long as Saudis are omitted from this regulation, it's pretty ineffective. Then again, how much of "terrorism legislation" is actually preventing terrorism, as opposed to extending the powers of police and p…

Regardless of the hijackers motives, Saudi Arabia is by far the worst country when it comes to exporting and supporting terror. Iran is an island of sanity by comparison, and there are no Shia terrorist organizations nowadays (Hezbollah are not terrorists - they don't blow up random civilians).

Hezbollah and Iran have a history of targeting Jewish civilians, not only in Israel. Which I do think you know.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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It's a bit more interesting wrt. most 9/11 hijackers being Saudis: I think it's pretty much confirmed at this point that it was a deliberate choice by al Qaida, attempting to deteriorate US-Saudi relations. But as long as Saudis are omitted from this regulation, it's pretty ineffective. Then again, how much of "terrorism legislation" is actually preventing terrorism, as opposed to extending the powers of police and p…

Regardless of the hijackers motives, Saudi Arabia is by far the worst country when it comes to exporting and supporting terror. Iran is an island of sanity by comparison, and there are no Shia terrorist organizations nowadays (Hezbollah are not terrorists - they don't blow up random civilians).

Saeed Malekpour is still in prison, that alone for me makes Iran a no-go country. http://thenextweb.com/me/2012/01/19/death-sentence-for-irani...

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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I am an Iranian CS student. I had a fully funded PhD admission at one of the US universities. I was admitted for the Fall 2016 semester. I am currently in Iran due to my visa not being issued despite the 7 months I have waited for it. I was able to defer my admission to Spring 2017 semester, but then _this_ happened. I am quite sure that I will never be able to attend this program. I had very high hopes for my future…

Dublin Ireland (English speaking) has 2 top 200 universities. University College Dublin and Trinity College Dublin (also called University of Dublin). With a student visa you can work in a job 20 hrs a week, 40 hrs in the summer. Funding will be hard enough for PhD, a fair number of people do Masters. USA software companies employ many people in Dublin (for when you finish/get a full work visa). USA software companies are in Dublin for tax reasons. If you (about 5 years if you are lucky) later get Irish citizenship you can work anywhere in the EU (European Union). Dublin does not compete favourably with top US destinations, but competes favourably with USA destinations outside the top 5 softare cities (and other European cities) marginal top rate income tax taxation pretty high, accommodation cost high. Toleration of other nationalities pretty good except for a small 'immigrants stealing our jobs' minority, immigration pretty recent (due to economic boom 1998 to 2008), generally from new in 2004 EU states (Poland, Latvia, Lithuania as no visa now required) and from India for software engineers.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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Conspiracy theory? No. Conspiracy? Yes. I often wonder what the Middle East and Iran would look like today if the CIA and the Brits had not overthrown the democratically elected Mosaddegh government.

I wonder what the world would like like if western nations hadn't meddled so much in other's affairs. That would actually make a really good TV series: "What the World Would Have Looked Like - Episode 3: Germany Wins World War 2". Of course there are numerous theories for each, but that's ok, just state that at the beginning and say this is just one of many possible theories, it's just for fun. I'd watch that type of…

Germany is a western country.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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Sentiments like yours do not help the current situation where everyone is talking past each other. Demonizing and labeling people like others is not the solution. Characterizing the motivations of 60+ million people as racist is the epitome of mental weakness. How do you expect to solve xenophobic behavior when you are employing the exact same mental processes? All you are doing is perpetuating the cycle of hatred. E…

People have been racist throughout history. The majority of people. When did the majority suddenly stop? There's no mental weakness involved in describing things as they are. In practice, this isn't the case. Racism just became something to be ashamed of, so now we can't discuss racism openly for fear of offending racists. At least the "rednecks" are honest about it. And I hate to tell you, they're not interested in…

So one of the things I've learned as time has progressed as a software engineer is that the more time I spend programming, the more I realize how incompetent I am. The amount which I do not know just seems to grow and grow and grow.

For me the same thing has come from politics. I've spent a lot of time reading and listening to not only NPR, the NY Times, The New Yorker, but also right leaning sites like Drudge, Instapundit, NRO and so on. The more I read both sides, the less I am absolutely certain of my view of reality and that my answers are necessarily the best answers. You really begin to appreciate just how much difference there can be with no intentional malice at all.

One commonality I see between both sides is a belief that neither side wants to listen. There is no shortage of idiots on either side, but you'd also be surprised how many thoughtful people on both sides exist. I've read a lot of right wing bloggers state that they have no problem with gay marriage, and yet they get lumped into the same barrel as fervent Christians. Same with Robert Spencer. I've seen a lot of resentment from writers who have attacked him but they're treated like they're all Nazis just because they are both "right wing".

I feel like the problem isn't racism so much as the problem is we've created linguistic weapons that were appropriate 30-40 years ago for a much different conflict. What I mean by that is the weight of calling someone a racist evokes thoughts of fire hoses and dogs and church burnings. But is that the right word for someone who flippantly calls an Asian person "Ling Ling"? Is it racially insensitive? Absolutely! But does it merit automatically going to the nines and unloading on someone with full abandon? Why do we take several malformed sentences as immediate evidence and license to publicly shame a stranger we know nothing about?

The internet has allowed so many people of different backgrounds and makeups to communicate with each other directly. But what I think this has shown is how bad we are at it. How many people in the Bay Area can say they actually know and communicate regularly and productively with a conservative? The problem in my minds is not right or left. It is that we haven't learned the right way to talk to each other that does not increase factionalism and strife. I'm worried it may do irreparable damage before long.

None of this is to say racism is a solved problem in America. Many people alive still remember what segregation truly meant. Those things don't just go away. I am not addressing actual racists either. There is however a large nebulous area where people may have ill formed beliefs, but not because of hatred. What I am saying is that I fully believe that most things that people attribute to malice come mostly from ignorance or fear. If our goal is to unite us all under the commonality of the US Flag, then assuming hostility is the worst way to go.

No one is immune to the words of others. Except sociopaths.

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