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EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by raverbashing »

dragontamer wrote: post #10
_m8fo wrote: post #3

All of these changes that Trump is making in his first week are making me wonder: what's the population limit, really, for a well functioning democracy? I'm no historian, but didn't the United States go around saying how great democracy is? I don't know about you, but to me it definitely feels like it doesn't work quite as intended. As for the article at hand, all I can offer is this" Trump's blatant distrust for cli…

Horrible comic and completely misses the point. Trump was voted in by coal miners. Coal Miners whose jobs have been slipping away and towns devastated by the "Heroin Epidemic" https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/white-death... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-h... Continuing to ignore rural America will only make them more angry and continue to vote in assholes like Trump. Clint…

These jobs are not coming back, period.

But the social issues do merit addressing

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Post by SmokyBorbon »

_m8fo wrote: post #3

All of these changes that Trump is making in his first week are making me wonder: what's the population limit, really, for a well functioning democracy? I'm no historian, but didn't the United States go around saying how great democracy is? I don't know about you, but to me it definitely feels like it doesn't work quite as intended. As for the article at hand, all I can offer is this" Trump's blatant distrust for cli…

I've always found it interesting that the civil war occured when the population was about 30 million, the war for independence at about 3 million, and colonial rebellions at about 300,000. The country is at about 350 million now.

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Post by daenz »

wklauss wrote: post #15
_m8fo wrote: post #3

All of these changes that Trump is making in his first week are making me wonder: what's the population limit, really, for a well functioning democracy? I'm no historian, but didn't the United States go around saying how great democracy is? I don't know about you, but to me it definitely feels like it doesn't work quite as intended. As for the article at hand, all I can offer is this" Trump's blatant distrust for cli…

> What exactly is he afraid that'll happen? [1] Why all of the resistance? He is afraid of being proved wrong. It's a very common problem with climate change deniers. Facts and figures keep piling up but they always grasp any possible alternative explanation. The longer they sustain their position, the fooler the look if they backtrack, so they tend to become more and more entrenched in their opinions. Trump just hap…

When you say he denies climate change, are you referring to climate change itself, or man made climate change? I know man made climate change deniers who fully believe in climate change. But the term "climate change denier" gets thrown around so loosely (sometimes I wonder if that's intentional), that I don't know what people are actually referring to.

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by wklauss »

dragontamer wrote: post #10
_m8fo wrote: post #3

All of these changes that Trump is making in his first week are making me wonder: what's the population limit, really, for a well functioning democracy? I'm no historian, but didn't the United States go around saying how great democracy is? I don't know about you, but to me it definitely feels like it doesn't work quite as intended. As for the article at hand, all I can offer is this" Trump's blatant distrust for cli…

Horrible comic and completely misses the point. Trump was voted in by coal miners. Coal Miners whose jobs have been slipping away and towns devastated by the "Heroin Epidemic" https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/white-death... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-h... Continuing to ignore rural America will only make them more angry and continue to vote in assholes like Trump. Clint…

He has been a climate change denier for a long time now. I think he genuinely believes -and surrounds himself with people that believe- that climate change is a disputed fact.

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Post by basicplus2 »

cmdrfred wrote: post #9
_m8fo wrote: post #3

All of these changes that Trump is making in his first week are making me wonder: what's the population limit, really, for a well functioning democracy? I'm no historian, but didn't the United States go around saying how great democracy is? I don't know about you, but to me it definitely feels like it doesn't work quite as intended. As for the article at hand, all I can offer is this" Trump's blatant distrust for cli…

What other form of government do you propose?

One where one person in power, president or not, can not do pretty much what ever they like

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by mentaat »

dragontamer wrote: post #10
_m8fo wrote: post #3

All of these changes that Trump is making in his first week are making me wonder: what's the population limit, really, for a well functioning democracy? I'm no historian, but didn't the United States go around saying how great democracy is? I don't know about you, but to me it definitely feels like it doesn't work quite as intended. As for the article at hand, all I can offer is this" Trump's blatant distrust for cli…

Horrible comic and completely misses the point. Trump was voted in by coal miners. Coal Miners whose jobs have been slipping away and towns devastated by the "Heroin Epidemic" https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/white-death... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-h... Continuing to ignore rural America will only make them more angry and continue to vote in assholes like Trump. Clint…

Wrong. There are 175,000 coal miners in entire of U.S.

Who voted for Trump? Basically every single demographic group. The country has collectively lost its mind when the candidate is astoundingly unqualified...

Did you know 54% of white women voted for trump? That's right, more white women voted for Trump than Hillary Clinton.

That is how insane this election was.

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by res0nat0r »

_m8fo wrote: post #3

All of these changes that Trump is making in his first week are making me wonder: what's the population limit, really, for a well functioning democracy? I'm no historian, but didn't the United States go around saying how great democracy is? I don't know about you, but to me it definitely feels like it doesn't work quite as intended. As for the article at hand, all I can offer is this" Trump's blatant distrust for cli…

> What exactly is he afraid that'll happen?

Regulations on the corporate donors and friends of his that can't trash the environment as much as they'd like and hinder their profits.

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Post by dragontamer »

_m8fo wrote: post #18
dragontamer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Horrible comic and completely misses the point. Trump was voted in by coal miners. Coal Miners whose jobs have been slipping away and towns devastated by the "Heroin Epidemic" https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/white-death... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-h... Continuing to ignore rural America will only make them more angry and continue to vote in assholes like Trump. Clint…

What are you even talking about? 1. I completely understand that coal miners are literally losing their jobs. 2. I understand that Trump was voted in by coal miners. 3. I didn't mention Clinton, like, at all.

Clinton was the only hope at defeating Trump. I cast my vote multiple times against Trump (in the primaries AND in the final election). I am personally outraged that Trump won this election.

In any case, Clinton's failure to rally rural America to her side cost her the election. She tried of course. In any case, you gotta offer something to the Coal Miners.

They're not stupid ya know. They know that pro-environmental policy is hurting their jobs and they voted somebody in to push back against the EPA. Seems like a legit strategy to me.

Re: EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff

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Post by daenz »

RKoutnik wrote: post #12
_m8fo wrote: post #3

All of these changes that Trump is making in his first week are making me wonder: what's the population limit, really, for a well functioning democracy? I'm no historian, but didn't the United States go around saying how great democracy is? I don't know about you, but to me it definitely feels like it doesn't work quite as intended. As for the article at hand, all I can offer is this" Trump's blatant distrust for cli…

It's worth noting that 3 million more people voted for Hillary. I wouldn't chalk this one up to a design issue, rather implementation (in this case, weighting votes by geographic region). We've submitted a patch and are waiting for enough reviewers to approve: http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

It's also worth noting that 90 million people who are eligible to vote didn't vote at all.
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