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Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

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Re: Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

#41
I use FF Nightly as my primary browser at work. Sometimes a site doesn't work and I'll try it in Chrome instead. 40% of the time, the site doesn't work there, either, so I try Internet Explorer. By the time I get this far, 75% of the time, it doesn't work there either and I decide that the website is broken. Note that some sites I always open in MSIE or Chrome due to prior experience.

It is worth noting that aside from a few web-based developers' demos, my browsing on the work PC is notably undemanding: documentation, blogs, email, messaging, etc. Among the actual web applications I interact with, many require MSIE... (Intranet!)

At home, I use FF stable on Linux and nothing works, ever. I don't have enough RAM or CPU power... I also use qupzilla, which performs well enough, but some rendering fails and I don't feel comfortable using it on wild URLs because ... well that's off topic.

Re: Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

#42
Integration with the rest of Google's services. More specifically: when logged into my Google account Chrome will automatically sync my browser history and bookmarks between devices. Adding a device is as simple as logging into a Google Account. No extra plugins to download and install, it just works. And the browser experience is uniformly good across devices.

In Chrome developer tools I daily use the workspace tools to edit CSS and other files, and see the updates in real-time in-browser.

I honestly don't know if any of these features are available in Firefox. If they are I would try it out and consider switching.

Re: Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

#43
I like the chrome debugging tools a lot. I do try to use firefox+DDG but everytime I am doing some dev work, I switch to chrome.

Maybe someday I will try and understand the firefox development+debugging system and then, FF will become my primary browser.

Re: Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

#44
I have a follow-up question for Chrome users (plus any FF devs who may be browsing HN).

Is Chrome really any safer than Firefox when Firefox is used with the "holy trinity" of uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, and NoScript? I realize that comparing a default Chrome install to Firefox with these three extensions might be perceived as an unfair comparison, but this configuration with FF is my daily driver for a long time now and I would like to know if there are any real benefits to returning to a browser from an ad company.

Privacy and security are both important to me, with privacy slightly more so. If I suffer a security breach, I wipe, restore from backups, and continue. Not so for a privacy breach.

Re: Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

#45
post #38

As a web developer, Firefox is the new IE. Random little quirks that never get fixed. Personal favorite: 8-year-old bug that causes select options to render incosistently if there's a transform anywhere in the DOM above it. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455164

> Personal favorite: 8-year-old bug that causes select options to render incosistently if there's a transform anywhere in the DOM above it

How is it critical to apply a transform to a select option? I don't see how this comes even close to the absurd IE bugs.

Re: Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

#46

Integration with the rest of Google's services. More specifically: when logged into my Google account Chrome will automatically sync my browser history and bookmarks between devices. Adding a device is as simple as logging into a Google Account. No extra plugins to download and install, it just works. And the browser experience is uniformly good across devices. In Chrome developer tools I daily use the workspace tool…

I don't know about the developer tools, but Firefox does have a sync service integrated with Firefox, exactly like you describe.

Nothing to install, only requires a login (to a firefox account)

Re: Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

#47
This may appear flippant but its insightful in that sometimes the reason is non-technical and not anyone's fault.

In the mega-corporate IT world you have supported locked down apps and best effort apps (and banned apps but thats not relevant to this discussion)

Officially FF is locked down to hell and back and I can't customize it in any way or install ad blockers or web development tools in any way. HOWEVER being locked down the IT support personnel can officially walk users thru using the corporate intranet or the medical insurance site or whatever without any weird "peoplesoft doesn't work, I didn't think it important to mention I installed an adblocker or javascript blocker and fifteen toolbars and ...". Support isn't happening without it being locked down to the point of uselessness.

Meanwhile chrome is on the tolerated but not locked down list and I can install ad blockers and development tools all I want but if it doesn't work then IT support has a written policy to not give a F. They're not actively blocking it, deleting it, or locking it down, but they are not actively supporting it at all. If some obscure IT supported something-as-a-service doesn't work with Chrome, they autoclose the ticket officially. Unofficially they're not total jerks, of course, so they'd fix it, just officially Chrome doesn't exist.

So take a wild guess which one I use at work... I can't imagine using the internet without an adblocker, can't install one, or anything, on FF, so ...

Re: Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

#48
Although I use it for my personal browser I was not successful in deploying it on the desktop networks I manage. Firefox ESR was way more cumbersome and complicated to deploy than Google's analog, Chrome for Work. So much so that despite repeated attempts to deploy it due to my loyalty to Mozilla I was essentially forced to give up and use Chrome.

Re: Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

#49
I keep trying to go back to Fx, and get held up on a few things (partly due to my own laziness):

1) tab-to-search (you mention already) 2) Chrome is "cleaner" out of the box (I'm sure I can have an omnibox in Fx I just haven't tried very hard) 3) I prefer Chrome's developer tools by a huge margin (especially the react/redux ones) 4) easy profile switching in Chrome (I have a dev profile that I use a lot) 5) Chrome better history plugin

Re: Ask HN: What's stopping you from using Firefox as your primary browser?

#50
I use browser sync in a project. The site reloads in a few seconds in multi-process browsers, but takes about 40 seconds in Firefox (and shuts down the browser in the process). E10s hasn't helped much yet, so I don't think I can go back until perf improves. I did love everything else about it, and I still check it out every now and then.
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