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This may be naive or old fashioned, but could they take checks? Can banks refuse to cash checks based on "morals"?

Yes, but how much business would they lose?

I'm sure some, but if even half the people who subscribed by card sent in checks, it's better than nothing.

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Can't they just pay boringCorp Ltd. in Bitcoin for use of their "bussiness solution" (that is managing your infrastructure or providing the bitcoin transaction platform). The boringCorp Ltd can cash out for ActualMoney(tm) and I'm sure there is some way of accounting to get that money back to where it needs to go.

Why commit a crime (money laundering) to hide a non crime?

My understanding is that money laundering refers specifically to illegally obtained money; it is perfectly legal to launder otherwise legal money.

Of course, attempting to do so would likely get you investigated, because it looks illegal.

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This may be naive or old fashioned, but could they take checks? Can banks refuse to cash checks based on "morals"?

Yes, but how much business would they lose?

All international users, at the very least.

Edit: FetLife is based in Canada. Are checks a thing there? (honest question from a European who has never even seen a check)

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Two or three big players in the credit card market can effectively shutdown a business. Honest question: do we need better enforcement for the First Amendment rights in the current digital era? Shop owners cannot decide who enters in their shop, should digital service providers be allowed to discriminate? The same happens when someone is banned from Facebook and Twitter: of course there are other options, but he won'…

"Honest question: do we need better enforcement for the First Amendment rights in the current digital era?"

No. What we need is a bill of rights to protect us from corporations that would censor us and otherwise work with the government to oppress our rights.

Plain and simple, all big business needs to be regulated at this point. They've proven themselves unworthy of being given free-roam.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Indiana, and I've been living under a Pence government with a Republican supermajority for the last 4 years. It's better than Trump. Yeah, Pence picks ridiculous fights that cost the state a lot of money and he's a socially regressive person who wants to impose his views on everyone, but he's not an unhinged, unstable narcissist. He doesn't make all of his policy within minutes of it being shown on a cable…

Trump isn't that unstable, I believe. He's just blindly following the call of profit (except the pussy-grabbing and sexual assault stuff). Most of the decisions of him and his team up to now can be classified as "will make Donald Trump or his team money in some weird way". And I believe that this will land him in jail or impeachment more sooner than later.

Trump seems pretty unstable if you believe the leaks from the White House: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/us/politics/donald-tru...

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Why not Bitpay? I'm not associated with them, and have never been on the merchant side of the transaction, but it seems like a 'safe' bitcoin option. And based on my quick read of their merchant TOS[0] bitpay shouldn't (in theory) have an issue with the nature of FetLife's business.

As an aside, it's fun to watch a bunch of old, technically-illiterate and conservative financiers unknowingly sow yet another little seed of their own destruction. I guess being at the top of the heap can make one feel invulnerable...

[0] https://bitpay.com/about/terms#merchant

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The interface between me receiving cryptocurrency and me paying bills and food with said cryptocurrency is problematic. I get the feeling we are stuck in a credit card world. I cannot imagine a big payment outfit that gets accepted by merchants to not have credit card companies or deal with merchants without bank accounts. This is really one of those issues that cuts across party (in the US 2 party system) lines. We'…

> We've seen the crackdown on gun shops The issue with firearms sales seems to be at the payment processor level, not the credit card issuers. The big names (e.g., Authorize.net) categorize firearms sales as "highly regulated industries" - even though they really aren't. There are payment processors out there that specifically work with FFLs (Federal Firearms Licensees, a/k/a gun stores), but they charge a couple of…

The DoJ was going after gun shop merchant accounts also. Gun shops or Fetish sites should be just as protected as any other legal business.

Re: FetLife Announcement

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I am a member of the FetLife community as well as an HN reader. First, let me clear up some misconceptions about FetLife that people on here may have.

It's not a porn site, or at least not primarily a porn site. The UX is a lot closer to that of Facebook but specifically for kinky people. If you go to a kink conference and meet someone, they will likely ask for your FL name to connect with you (incidentally Twitter is the other popular mechanism for communicating with fellow kinksters).

FL has a subscription model, and the main benefit you get out of that is the ability to view other members' posted media better. There is a section of the site called Kinky & Popular which is similar to Reddit's front page. Since people can Love (e.g. like/heart/etc.) their friends' pictures and videos, some become popular and land on this front page. Viewing more than the top 200 or watching the videos requires a subscription of $5/month. This section is dominated by media of pretty, skinny, submissive women, and can be seen as having porn-like content. Note that what ends up here is purely moderated by the community and is not promoted by the FL staff. The people whose media ends up here do not get paid for it.

FL until recently has had a very loose content policy. Things like blood play, consensual non-consent, rape fantasies were all allowed. Illegal things were not: no underage media, no snuff, etc. But people were free to discuss their fantasies, their kinks, etc. without much restriction. Whether you agree or disagree with stuff that gets someone off, you were free to discuss what you want and fantasize about what you want, as long as what you are posting violates no US laws.

FL serves an important purpose to our community: it is a place to share events and local community knowledge, to keep up with people, and importantly to identify abusers. This is the main benefit I see in it and it would be the biggest loss if FL went under.

These latest developments have obviously put a damper on things at FL. They have contacted several groups that are able to advocate for them and give advice, and even the EFL at one point was involved. However, the outlook is bleak. Sadly, the community is not united in supporting FL due to seemingly arbitrary content restrictions, and FL is unable to provide a reasonable level of service without those. If someone knows a way to help this community, please post it here and I'll do my best to point it out to the powers that be there. I am not affiliated with the FL staff, just a user, but they do talk to the community freely and frequently.

Re: FetLife Announcement

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post #35

Two or three big players in the credit card market can effectively shutdown a business. Honest question: do we need better enforcement for the First Amendment rights in the current digital era? Shop owners cannot decide who enters in their shop, should digital service providers be allowed to discriminate? The same happens when someone is banned from Facebook and Twitter: of course there are other options, but he won'…

"Honest question: do we need better enforcement for the First Amendment rights in the current digital era?" No. What we need is a bill of rights to protect us from corporations that would censor us and otherwise work with the government to oppress our rights. Plain and simple, all big business needs to be regulated at this point. They've proven themselves unworthy of being given free-roam.

It's not lack of regulation that causes businesses to shut down accounts associated with "indecent" content. It's heavy handed regulation that means payment processing companies have to glance over their shoulder every minute in fear that some conservative regulator or lawmaker mounts an effort to attack their business.
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