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Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

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Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

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The U.S. is very behind many European countries in the work-life balance department. It's kinda surprising that America – with its liberal policies for private companies – is so backwards when it comes to caring about their employees.

The points in the article could apply to policies/norms in Sweden as well. Here, we get at least 4 weeks of paid vacation per year, as well as some insurances and a very generous parental leave (1 year for each parent).

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

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post #9

Any time I meet or hear about someone like this, who comes back to the US after living in western Europe, I really have to wonder about them. Especially this one: she's just complaining a lot about life in America not being as great as in Switzerland. Well, that's no surprise. What did she expect? Even worse, she's just in time for Trumpism. She couldn't have picked a worse time to come back.

When she wrote the article, presumably some time before 1 February when it was published, Trump seemed a lot less likely.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

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Lousy work culture that produces the best output in the world. If it is so bad why don't you stay in Switzerland and give up your American passport? Something must be making up for the competitive work culture. I wonder what that is.

> Something must be making up for the competitive work culture. I wonder what that is.

Oh, I know: Neglected children growing up to be unhappy at "best" and sociopaths at worst, for one.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

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post #8

Slightly off topic, but the beauty of Switzerland was such a stark contrast to where I grew up in New Jersey that it almost made me angry. All these people, going about their daily lives in Switzerland seemingly oblivious to the fairy-tale landscape around them!

Jersey can be beautiful too : )

But remember the US is huge. If you like mountains, Checkout Colorado, Montana, Alaska, Wyoming, Washington and Oregon among others : )

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

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post #7

"Being rich ruined me for being poor and its lousy perks."

This quote makes no sense. Yes, they made a lot more money in Switzerland maybe which allowed them to travel, but the same perks can be applied to working in any Western European country (e.g. Germany). You don't need to be rich to have good perks. In Germany you can work in a factory and live a comfortablish life.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

#16

But in Switzerland, my husband's company gave employees six weeks of vacation a year. And yet, I find people get used to it and consider it normal rather than a great thing. I give my employees 36 days of paid vacation per year (7.2 weeks) and, yep, got complaints the other day when I suggested making December 22nd a mandatory holiday day(!) :-)

I think the complaint here (if I understand you correctly) is that you are giving a vacation day and then making a certain day mandatory to use it. This practice is common among companies and extremely infuriating and in my opinion should be illegal. Better to have 35 days paid and make december 22nd a company holiday.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

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post #8

Slightly off topic, but the beauty of Switzerland was such a stark contrast to where I grew up in New Jersey that it almost made me angry. All these people, going about their daily lives in Switzerland seemingly oblivious to the fairy-tale landscape around them!

Remember that people get used to the environment. People who live in the Bay Area don't care about the Golden Gate Bridge for example.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

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In my opinion this is missing an important thing: Does the Swiss model scale?

For example, the Singapore model can't scale. It's based on rich people and corporations arbitraging the international fiscal system. You can't have another Singapore without having another East Asia and West with it.

Swiss is definitively a privileged place that is benefiting from the overall wealth of Europe and many other countries. We can't have the niceties they are having unless we have huge leaps in overall productivity around the world.

Edit: To explain my point further. Let's say you have a Swiss watch factory that is relaying on export for 90% of its production. With this money it can afford hiring top researchers and paying very high wages even for low-skill positions. This wouldn't be possible if there wasn't a huge market to product this luxury good for (Europe, US and Asia).

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

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The U.S. is very behind many European countries in the work-life balance department. It's kinda surprising that America – with its liberal policies for private companies – is so backwards when it comes to caring about their employees. The points in the article could apply to policies/norms in Sweden as well. Here, we get at least 4 weeks of paid vacation per year, as well as some insurances and a very generous parent…

"Liberal policies for private companies" really means that companies have less regulation and red tape, and therefore have a less liberated workforce. One of the points the article makes is that the Swiss government have legal mandates on workplace benefits such as time off and maternity leave, which is the opposite of what some refer to as liberal, at least when talking about businesses as opposed to individuals.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture (2016)

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Lousy work culture that produces the best output in the world. If it is so bad why don't you stay in Switzerland and give up your American passport? Something must be making up for the competitive work culture. I wonder what that is.

Best output? Perhaps you mean most? And perhaps you mean GDP and not output?
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