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George Orwell’s 1984 is currently the top selling book on Amazon

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Re: George Orwell’s 1984 is currently the top selling book on Amazon

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Post by rconti »

vixen99 wrote: post #49
mattnewton wrote: post #11

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What's wrong with a hat you can knit at home? It's an effective symbol.

https://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2017/01/21/why-youll-get-you... 'For every hour that an American spent knitting a hat . . .'

>Finally, the march here in Boston seems to have proved Donald Trump correct regarding the incompetence of U.S. local, state, and federal government. Despite soaking up 40-50 percent of GDP, the government couldn’t adapt to the forecast demand for transportation today by, e.g., adding extra trains.

Even a stopped clock....

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Post by jupiter90000 »

noobermin wrote: post #110
jupiter90000 wrote: post #72

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Do people really want him to get impeached and convicted, with Pence being the successor? Seems like a terrible idea...

Going to take off the objective hat and talk as a liberal. The answer I give to this is for the US, the President is both the head of state and the head of government. As is clear from recent articles about Trump's manner in the white house, his team is very much making many of the small policy decisions while Trump gets to strut out as the figurehead. So yes, Trump stepping down wouldn't mean much difference when it…

I hear what you're saying. For me, actively working to make someone president (Pence) who has a proven track record in politics doing things for many years I disagree with seems even less desirable to me. Hard to say what the 'lesser of two evils' is here.

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Post by jobigoud »

dllthomas wrote: post #63
ryanhuff wrote: post #60

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Does it say "gifts" or "payments"?

"accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever" Payments in exchange for regular business which would have been engaged in anyway would seem not to apply, although there's disturbing room for corruption there.

I'm not a native speaker but shouldn't this be "of any kind whatsoever"?

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Post by [deleted] »

anubisresources wrote: post #37
dllthomas wrote: post #24

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> I'm really confused by how impeachment works in the U.S. Impeachment requires a crime. Lying isn't usually a crime, and as best I can tell hasn't been one any of the times Trump has done it (.. yet?). It also hasn't been a crime any of the times Obama has done it. Failure to give up business interests is breaking precedent and confounding ethicists, but also doesn't seem to be illegal. When we come up with somethin…

Failure to give up his business interests is an impeachable offense. He literally does not meet the requirements set forth in the Constitution. He isn't being impeached because his party controls both houses.

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

noobermin wrote: post #110
jupiter90000 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people really want him to get impeached and convicted, with Pence being the successor? Seems like a terrible idea...

Going to take off the objective hat and talk as a liberal. The answer I give to this is for the US, the President is both the head of state and the head of government. As is clear from recent articles about Trump's manner in the white house, his team is very much making many of the small policy decisions while Trump gets to strut out as the figurehead. So yes, Trump stepping down wouldn't mean much difference when it…

his team is very much making many of the small policy decisions while Trump gets to strut out as the figurehead.

Which is pretty much exactly how you would expect a "I have no idea what I'm doing but I don't want to fuck it up so I'll fill my cabinet with people who know what they're doing and let them do their thing" administration to work.

>Not to mention his poor demeanor, his lack of likeability, his unpopularity, the fact he was a reality-TV star. Having such an individual represent the nation is an embarrassment and does not inspire confidence in the nation nor does it abroad.

Are these seriously that much more important than how well the job gets done. On some level I don't care if the president is a member of the goddamn KKK if the job gets done well enough.

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Post by sigmar »

flukus wrote: post #107
sigmar wrote: post #93

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>Has anyone actually done an unbiased comparison? I've seen the picture but there are plenty of possible explanations for that. What better way to compare attendance of an outdoor event other than photos? There are also DC metro numbers, but they don't seem necessary as we have high-resolution images. >And people seem to be reading far to much into it in any case. Seems emblematic of bigger issues. Such as: unwilling…

> What better way to compare attendance of an outdoor event other than photos? Someone posted a good list of possible ways this could be misleading yesterday: http://www.datasciencecentral.com/profiles/blogs/there-are-l... As far as reading too much into it, I meant that the election of the first black president was a much bigger deal then the 40 somethingth white old dude. I'd expect trumps turnout to be lower and I…

> I meant that the election of the first black president was a much bigger deal then the 40 somethingth white old dude

But that (and many of the questions in that link) are not relevant to the specific question of how many people were at the inauguration. Which is the topic at hand. Those questions would be more relevant in a discussion of drawing other conclusions from the attendance numbers

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Post by pje »

dpweb wrote: post #47

Its right to question which direction the country is headed, but i have to wonder what damage is being done to the nation's psyche with all the apocolyptic imagery. What's it like to feel in constant crisis. It makes people scared all the time and drives divisiveness. Its as dangerous as anything the prez may have planned.

Literally millions of people will die during our lifetime because of climate change.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs266/en/

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Post by cpeterso »

jupiter90000 wrote: post #72
dllthomas wrote: post #24

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> I'm really confused by how impeachment works in the U.S. Impeachment requires a crime. Lying isn't usually a crime, and as best I can tell hasn't been one any of the times Trump has done it (.. yet?). It also hasn't been a crime any of the times Obama has done it. Failure to give up business interests is breaking precedent and confounding ethicists, but also doesn't seem to be illegal. When we come up with somethin…

Do people really want him to get impeached and convicted, with Pence being the successor? Seems like a terrible idea...

While Pence may have worse policies than Trump on average, Trump has much worse downside risk because he is unpredictable. Today we have the worst of both: Pence already implementing his domestic policies plus the chance that Trump might nuke someone.

Re: George Orwell’s 1984 is currently the top selling book on Amazon

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Post by iamdave »

flukus wrote: post #124
School-Cotton wrote: post #115

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Why is anyone still talking about Hillary Clinton? Donald Trump is the man in office. Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with anything. However Clinton may or may not violated the Constitution is absolutely irrelevant to the question of whether Trump is violating it now.

> Why is anyone still talking about Hillary Clinton? Because we're trying to ascertain if the complainers are genuinely principled or partisan hacks. I've a feeling most of them would be turning a blind eye if it wasn't trump.

Complainers can't prosecute and convict. Courts can. That's a difference I'd recommend coming to terms with as it's the crux of this discussion at a level that's intensely germane.
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