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Google AMP Is Not a Good Thing

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Re: Google AMP Is Not a Good Thing

#141
AMP is probably good for web users. However, I believe that AMP goes against the free and distributed spirit of the web.

I am somewhat a Google fan, happily paying for music, tv shows, movies, and use the Google cloud platform. I also get some value from Facebook.

That said, I think that Google and Facebook are going to eventually badly damage the web, or at least the web that I love.

Re: Google AMP Is Not a Good Thing

#143

Do we really need Instant Articles (Facebook) and AMP (Google) when we can accomplish fast loading pages with plain, uncomplicated HTML and CSS? I feel that many web developers don't realise that simple HTML and CSS is often all you need to make clear, fast loading pages. No complicated tricks or techniques required. You can make the page reasonably pleasant in appearance too. Think of the sites you often visit: news…

Anecdotally, this article for me took about 5 seconds after loading the text to apply its CSS and fonts, which was kinda jarring when reading. I don't need an exotic font to read basic content. I'd most like a simple lightweight site, but I'd take AMP over this site's clunkiness.

Re: Google AMP Is Not a Good Thing

#144

It is one of the most annoying things to use, and might actually get me to switch my default search engine. I often search for stuff where the results come up on Reddit. I want to see the comments, but AMP helpfully hides all replies, and only shows like the top 5-10 comments. This is useless. So now instead of getting to the page I want right away, I have to scroll down to the button that says "see more comments". W…

If you use DuckDuckGo you can include "g!" in a search to Google it instead (except in a way that does not return AMP results).

Re: Google AMP Is Not a Good Thing

#145
post #48

I love AMP because I can easily tell which sites will actually load fast and give me the info I wanted directly from the search results page. Publishers are still able to track pageviews and serve ads, so I don't get what the hullaballoo is all about here. There's nothing in the AMP spec that stops links from working. I just searched for "Is Google AMP a good thing" on my mobile, and got the OP's post as the first re…

Yes, you are right, the speed is great and the concept is actually quite interesting. What annoys me is the fact that they broke the UX on iOS (don't know about other platforms);

- you cannot scroll to the top by typing on the bar at the top on the screen

- there's this AMP title bar at the top, that's super annoying. I read, they might eventually add the option to hide it

- feels like they tried to implement smooth scrolling what conflicts with native iOS smooth scrolling resulting in not-so-smooth scrolling

Finally, and that is more important I'd say, we have the whole point about the openness of the Internet. People are concerned about what Google (and Facebook) does because there is the potential to create a walled garden of exclusive content not everyone can access - which would actually contradict the idea of AMP, wouldn't it?

Re: Google AMP Is Not a Good Thing

#146
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see you have never wanted to link someone to an AMP page. You also somehow didn't notice that there's a huge useless bar at the top of the page.

I don't really care about that. I just know that if I see the AMP logo on a search result that I'm about to click, it's going to be a pleasant experience when I click through and very quickly am able to read the page. Whereas almost any other news site will be more or less unreadable and unscrollable, constantly changing as it loads over the course of a minute or more, until a huge popover blocks the whole thing and…

Maybe I'm being selfish, but when I click on an AMP link I know the page is going to scroll funny on my iOS device (something with iframes?) and there'll be an oversized bar at the top and the site will feel really... bland and off compared to what I expected, like I clicked reading mode even though if I wanted reading mode I'd have clicked that.

Im torn because while I want mobile versions of sites to be fast over poor connections, I also don't want to read what looks like a cached version version of the sute. Maybe it's the AMP sites I've visited but it's always way too jarring

Re: Google AMP Is Not a Good Thing

#147

It got annoying enough for me to switch my search to bing.com everywhere, including Google's own browser. My two main complaints: 1. Once I am on AMP page, most of the time I want to click around the site and I cannot do that - feels like a cage. 2. URL obfuscates the site name and article title (not completely, but definitely adds visual noise)

Why don't you give DuckDuckGo a shot?

Re: Google AMP Is Not a Good Thing

#148

It got annoying enough for me to switch my search to bing.com everywhere, including Google's own browser. My two main complaints: 1. Once I am on AMP page, most of the time I want to click around the site and I cannot do that - feels like a cage. 2. URL obfuscates the site name and article title (not completely, but definitely adds visual noise)

Why don't you give DuckDuckGo a shot?

I was thinking earlier, why don't mozilla or the FSF take a shot at building their own search engine? Imagine how many projects the monetization could fund?

Re: Google AMP Is Not a Good Thing

#149
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2a) I want to get to the site, not another Google property. Penalize my search listing all you like, but none of my stuff will be hosted elsewhere. I thought publishers learned their lessons here - use someone else's printing press, and ultimately, they control what's printed.

This is the part that I don't understand. Why are publishers so eager to give away control of their meal-ticket?

They can always turn AMP off if Google does something evil.

Re: Google AMP Is Not a Good Thing

#150
Google started stealing content a long time ago on their search page... sometime displaying almost whole pages of content as the first "search result" so that the user doesn't even need to visit the source.
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