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Re: Nicotine Normalizes Brain Activity Deficits That Are Key to Schizophrenia

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Post by SparkyMcUnicorn »

brianpgordon wrote: post #97
samx18 wrote: post #79

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IMO Vaping is a far safer alternative to smoking for getting nicotine.

True, but being healthier than smoking is not exactly a high bar. If you must take nicotine as a nootropic, take it orally. Vaping is much more addictive than letting a 2mg lozenge slowly dissolve. Relative addictiveness of different ROAs is directly correlated with how quickly the drug takes effect, and when you vape the nicotine hits your bloodstream within seconds. Also I can't mention enough that if you take an M…

You can vape with no nicotine at all, or you can vape from 0.1mg/ml all the way past 50mg/ml if you wanted to. "Vaping is much more addictive" is like saying sugar is more addicting from a glass of chocolate milk than than it is from a bag of gummy worms.

And I'd say 95% healthier is a pretty good margin.

Re: Nicotine Normalizes Brain Activity Deficits That Are Key to Schizophrenia

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Post by brianwawok »

notarealdoctor wrote: post #107
beambot wrote: post #92

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Your psychiatrist runs a practice and you're mad that they are practicing rather than researching ? That seems like an unrealistic expectation. If your doc was doing more research, then they probably wouldn't be practicing as much. It's like asking you to be a professional developer and do cutting edge CS research -- that's pretty rare. Tracking nicotine vs your mood strikes me as being "research" -- especially since…

> Your psychiatrist runs a practice and you're mad that they are practicing rather than researching? I just write code and I have to research stuff, why oh why would mental health professionals not be required to do so?

Your code does not need to go through the FDA nor cost millions of dollars to run a valid trial.

Re: Nicotine Normalizes Brain Activity Deficits That Are Key to Schizophrenia

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Post by brianwawok »

cmdrfred wrote: post #110
lucasmullens wrote: post #96

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Because someone who chewed nicotine gum got a cyst we should ban vaping in offices? I'm not sure I follow.

People shouldn't vape in offices for the same reason they shouldn't pass gas. It smells and it's rude.

More room on the outside compared to the inside...

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Post by PerryCox »

brianwawok wrote: post #113
notarealdoctor wrote: post #107

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> Your psychiatrist runs a practice and you're mad that they are practicing rather than researching? I just write code and I have to research stuff, why oh why would mental health professionals not be required to do so?

Your code does not need to go through the FDA nor cost millions of dollars to run a valid trial.

He could work for NASA in which case his code would go through millions of dollars of analysis before it's run. ;)

Re: Nicotine Normalizes Brain Activity Deficits That Are Key to Schizophrenia

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Post by SparkyMcUnicorn »

bencollier49 wrote: post #67
qrybam wrote: post #38

Tangential self experimentation anecdote: I was intrigued by reports that nicotine can improve cognition in otherwise healthy people so I read through as many studies/articles I could find online. After deciding that I'd done enough research I took the plunge and began self experimenting with 2mg gum. I took it daily throughout the day at regular-ish intervals for around 2-3 months. The affects I experienced were as…

And this is why vaping should be banned in enclosed public spaces, especially offices.

I'm completely against the rudeness of vaping in the situations you describe, but studies (easy google search with many results) show that second hand vapor is harmless.

I added this link to another comment, but I'll link it here as well.

http://notblowingsmoke.org/

Re: Nicotine Normalizes Brain Activity Deficits That Are Key to Schizophrenia

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Post by andy_ppp »

SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: post #103
samx18 wrote: post #79

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IMO Vaping is a far safer alternative to smoking for getting nicotine.

Just to chime in. If you have concerns because you've heard that "vaping is bad", do some research into it. While there are billboards and other advertisements against vaping in the USA, Public Health England says that vaping is at least 95% healthier [1]. http://notblowingsmoke.org/ [1] https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-le...

I actually don't think vaping is good because it allows the nicotine user to never realise it's possible to get over their addiction instead requiring constant replacement of smoking. This is not needed if they accept fully the difficulty of giving up but realise that every exertion of will power promotes their escape and weakens smokings hold on the user.

Re: Nicotine Normalizes Brain Activity Deficits That Are Key to Schizophrenia

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Post by nickysielicki »

77pt77 wrote: post #55
anigbrowl wrote: post #48

“This defines a completely novel strategy for medication development,” says lead author As someone with schizoaffective problems and raging ADHD, I find quotes like this acutely annoying. I've told every psychiatrist I'eve ever dealt with about the experiential costs/benefits of smoking (and consuming various other recreational drugs). They all nod sagely and say things like 'but smoking is bad' (no shit Sherlock!) w…

> Of all the medical professionals I've ever dealt with, psychiatrists are the laziest and least imaginative. Also the ones with the most power over patients. A dangerous combination in my opinion.

Even more dangerous when you consider this paper. [1]

In particular, see point two, "Psychology is less politically diverse than ever". Academic psychology seems to lean Democrat by a ratio of 14:1! Fourteen to one! That kind of bias is ridiculous when you consider the power they have over their patients and the politically-infused repercussions of their diagnosis. Case in point: gun ownership.

[1]: http://heterodoxacademy.org/2015/09/14/bbs-paper-on-lack-of-...

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Post by [deleted] »

nickysielicki wrote: post #118
77pt77 wrote: post #55

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> Of all the medical professionals I've ever dealt with, psychiatrists are the laziest and least imaginative. Also the ones with the most power over patients. A dangerous combination in my opinion.

Even more dangerous when you consider this paper. [1] In particular, see point two, "Psychology is less politically diverse than ever". Academic psychology seems to lean Democrat by a ratio of 14:1! Fourteen to one! That kind of bias is ridiculous when you consider the power they have over their patients and the politically-infused repercussions of their diagnosis. Case in point: gun ownership. [1]: http://heterodoxa…

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Re: Nicotine Normalizes Brain Activity Deficits That Are Key to Schizophrenia

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Post by ig1 »

notarealdoctor wrote: post #107
beambot wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your psychiatrist runs a practice and you're mad that they are practicing rather than researching ? That seems like an unrealistic expectation. If your doc was doing more research, then they probably wouldn't be practicing as much. It's like asking you to be a professional developer and do cutting edge CS research -- that's pretty rare. Tracking nicotine vs your mood strikes me as being "research" -- especially since…

> Your psychiatrist runs a practice and you're mad that they are practicing rather than researching? I just write code and I have to research stuff, why oh why would mental health professionals not be required to do so?

Because when you're a medical professional you can lose your licence for experimenting on patients.
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