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Arrington : "You’re Welcome, You Bastards"

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Re: Arrington : "You’re Welcome, You Bastards"

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Post by dhimes »

aarongough wrote: post #69
cglee wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've met so many of these management types who come in during the middle of a crisis and just demand things be fixed. Those are the worst, and one of my coworkers termed it "pigeon management" - they fly in, shit all over the place, and then fly away. Roth sounds like he pigeon managed the situation (from this one-sided account).

I laughed pretty hard when I read the definition you gave for 'pigeon management'. That's one of those phrases that perfectly sums up what can otherwise be difficult to explain..

...also known in some circles as "seagull management."

Re: Arrington : "You’re Welcome, You Bastards"

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Post by duairc »

This has such a linkbait headline. This is some completely uninteresting drama about, at least to me. But the headline is such that my impulse is to click on it. I guess that makes me weak. But why do people upvote shit like this in the first place? Do people really care about some squabble TechCrunch are having with some other crowd? Is this really actually interesting to hackers? I really hate when I come here and I see headlines like this on the front page. This is not what I come here for.

Re: Arrington : "You’re Welcome, You Bastards"

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Post by dkarl »

nostromo wrote: post #79
dkarl wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree; to me, the email says that the post would be about the excerpts, and the excerpts themselves were provided simply because they weren't live on the Fortune site yet. The email quotes in the post do NOT say he is going to post the excerpts. In fact, referring to Fortune's "exclusive excerpts" clearly implies that they'll only be available on Fortune's site, i.e., not on Techcrunch. He simply misread the emails…

Well, except the part where they email him saying, thank you great post.

And six minutes later, after they actually read the post, they had a substantive response. It's the classic email pattern of respond, then read, then really respond, aka, "I just noticed your email is full of words and decided to take a closer look." Except here the initial email was actually a blog post.

Re: Arrington : "You’re Welcome, You Bastards"

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Post by froo »

neilc wrote: post #63
AmberShah wrote: post #46

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I don't see how: at least in the emails posted, Fortune never authorizes Arrington to post the full excerpt: they talk about writing a post "on the book excerpts". He DID publish a book excerpt. Based on the way they kept saying full content, they want to make it sound like he published the entire book or something. They asked if he would publish excerpts. They sent him excerpts. He published excerpts. He followed th…

They asked if he would publish excerpts. Except they didn't, at least not in any publicly-posted email that I can see. In fact, they describe the excerpt as "exclusive" to Fortune -- they asked Arrington to post "on the book excerpts", not "to post the book excerpts". As I said, a miscommunication -- and there is a simple, mature way to handle that.

>they asked Arrington to post "on the book excerpts", not "to post the book excerpts". As I said, a miscommunication -- and there is a simple, mature way to handle that.

... pistols at dawn?

Re: Arrington : "You’re Welcome, You Bastards"

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Post by SkyMarshal »

Sometimes shit just happens. Let it go, move on.

The mistake here wasn't a miscommunication, it was in not realizing the cat was out of the bag and just cutting your losses.

Just like you can't get unpregnant, you can't retract stuff once it's posted on one of the web's top blogs. Fortune's type A control freak lawyers still need to learn that it seems.

The correct response from Fortune:

"Oops, that's not what we intended, but oh well, lesson learned - next time be more specific. Fuck it dude, lets go bowling."

Re: Arrington : "You’re Welcome, You Bastards"

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Post by isleyaardvark »

huntero wrote: post #50

"I’d love to chat with you about FORTUNE’s exclusive excerpt of David Kirkpatrick’s book on Facebook" "note that the story stems from an exclusive excerpt in FORTUNE of David Kirkpatrick’s new book The Facebook Effect." "once you’ve read the excerpts, please let me know if you choose not to post on one and not the other or both" The use of the words "exclusive" and "on" seem to make it pretty clear that he was suppos…

If they thought publishing the full excerpts was serious enough to be calling at 6am and bringing in the lawyers, they should have been especially clear in that point from the beginning.

Re: Arrington : "You’re Welcome, You Bastards"

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Post by Alex3917 »

dkarl wrote: post #64
greyman wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to say...they wrote to "post on excerpts", but not "post excerpts". But obviously, what would Mike gain by only posting excerpt of the excerpt? Anyone can do that without asking permission from Fortune, it's just normal blogging practice. Now when I think about it, Fortune looks even more ridiculous in my eyes. They basically asked TC to blog about their promotional article for free. ;-)

I agree; to me, the email says that the post would be about the excerpts, and the excerpts themselves were provided simply because they weren't live on the Fortune site yet. The email quotes in the post do NOT say he is going to post the excerpts. In fact, referring to Fortune's "exclusive excerpts" clearly implies that they'll only be available on Fortune's site, i.e., not on Techcrunch. He simply misread the emails…

"In fact, referring to Fortune's "exclusive excerpts" clearly implies that they'll only be available on Fortune's site, i.e., not on Techcrunch."

The actual email says that he is offering TC the rights to use the exclusive material:

"I’d love to chat with you about FORTUNE’s exclusive excerpt of David Kirkpatrick’s book on Facebook, which I’d love to offer for tomorrow."

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