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Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by JohnTHaller »

dotnetisnotdead wrote: post #9
tritosomal wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean Fox News, though. Seriously the fakest of Fake News. Everything Rupert Murdoch has ever touched in his entire Mr. Burns life reeks worse than a Russian oligarch's toe jam, if you were curious about my opinion. And his children still live and breathe.

See this is the problem. Way too much groupthink nowadays. Do you honestly think Fox News is all fake? Hint: it's not. I'm a lifelong democrat but here's where last November's events hit me even harder than most: I know we earned it. We've been allowing CNN, MSNBC, etc to slam Trump left and right. Does he deserve it? Of course he does! The problem is they stand from an authority position with presumed partiality and…

Fox News has been doing the fake/biased news thing for a long time: http://johnhaller.com/useful-stuff/faux-news

Plus, your post is literally buying into the 'media downplayed Trump's crowd' and the 'picture was taken before the inauguration' fake news story. The picture was taken at the peak. They even released the video to prove it. Trump's crowd was about on par with George W Bush's. In other words, less than half the size of Obama's 2009 crowd.

Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by JohnTHaller »

rdtsc wrote: post #4

For some reason I really like the phenomenon of "Fake News". It was an idea launched fairly quickly right after the election. It spread fast. All over the news. The media, and even Facebook and Google throwing their weight behind it. Nobody quite knew what it was. Was it just Lizard People news or did it include all news from Fox or just some. Was it just Macedonian teenagers making money or was CNN also Fake News. T…

Quite a few of us have been discussing fake/biased news for well over a year. When your feed shows you fake news people share from Brietbart and BlueNationReview, you tend to notice it.

Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by komerdoor »

rdtsc wrote: post #4

For some reason I really like the phenomenon of "Fake News". It was an idea launched fairly quickly right after the election. It spread fast. All over the news. The media, and even Facebook and Google throwing their weight behind it. Nobody quite knew what it was. Was it just Lizard People news or did it include all news from Fox or just some. Was it just Macedonian teenagers making money or was CNN also Fake News. T…

You noticed the same as I did. Google trends etc. will also show you this exact pattern and when exactly this "Fake News"-calling started. After a while it backfired when the ones they called "Fake News" pointed out how they are also reporting many things incorrectly. Source: https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%2012-m&q=fa...

After a while they even started to use it in Europe and how our elections may also be affected by "Fake News" and how Russia is planting this. They even started EU government programs to counteract "Fake News" even on schools. Source (how to recognize fake news school program in the Netherlands): https://www.weekvandemediawijsheid.nl/mediamasters-universit... and https://www.omroepflevoland.nl/nieuws/141814/almere-bieb-ver...

This must all have been set up long time before they started to use it.

The only thing this did for me is making me take everything (all sides) less seriously. I cannot believe to live in a world like this where people keep this going while we talk about people their lives, health and our future. It should not be like a joke, it was all too obvious. Still many people think it is really something without there being any real proof of what it actually is.

One of the claimed proof of what they call "Fake News" (used many times to proof the existence of it) is someone (then unknown by all sides) that created an article about protesters being bused in by Soros or something while proven to not be true. The whole situation was too weird when people started to research the author. Source: http://www.snopes.com/anti-trump-protesters-bused-into-austi...

In reality Soros and his organizations (many part of the EU as well) sponsored and influenced many protests and still do. Read the leaked open society emails to learn about that. Source: http://soros.dcleaks.com and http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billio...

To be honest, while living in the EU, I am afraid to tell people how I see things (and I still try to be objective) because it is all getting more violent by the day. This is mostly still confined to the internet but I can already see this changing all around me especially with the EU elections nearing.

Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by bitwize »

dingo_bat wrote: post #20
pcunite wrote: post #2

When people voted last year, they did not vote with facts. They voted with beliefs. That is true because the published facts cannot be completely relied upon to make a decision. Why? People change! Hillary Clinton's 30 year public service work is a fact. What do you think of it? That is a belief.

> Hillary Clinton's 30 year public service work is a fact. Is it? IMO all of it was cast into doubt the moment it came out that her foundation is just a front to get money from foreign interests.

Millions of people with tropical diseases were treated thanks to the Clinton Foundation, yet it's all "just a front". Sure.

Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by guelo »

We are so fucked. Trump supporters are giddy but there is nothing to be happy about even if your preferred policies will be implemented. The thing about the destruction of Democratic institutions is that they are incredibly hard to rebuild. And without them it is a downward spiral from here.

Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by sctb »

tritosomal wrote: post #5
rdtsc wrote: post #4

For some reason I really like the phenomenon of "Fake News". It was an idea launched fairly quickly right after the election. It spread fast. All over the news. The media, and even Facebook and Google throwing their weight behind it. Nobody quite knew what it was. Was it just Lizard People news or did it include all news from Fox or just some. Was it just Macedonian teenagers making money or was CNN also Fake News. T…

I mean Fox News, though. Seriously the fakest of Fake News. Everything Rupert Murdoch has ever touched in his entire Mr. Burns life reeks worse than a Russian oligarch's toe jam, if you were curious about my opinion. And his children still live and breathe.

This account has been posting plenty of uncivil and unsubstantive comments. We have to ask you to please stop and re-read the guidelines:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by MollyR »

bitwize wrote: post #34
dingo_bat wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hillary Clinton's 30 year public service work is a fact. Is it? IMO all of it was cast into doubt the moment it came out that her foundation is just a front to get money from foreign interests.

Millions of people with tropical diseases were treated thanks to the Clinton Foundation, yet it's all "just a front". Sure.

Yet when she lost, many foreign governments started to pull funding.

Its pretty clear that something suspicious was occurring.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/16/clinton-glob...

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Post by youngbullind »

jadell wrote: post #7

Apropos of not much, I created a Chrome extension that replaces the phrases "fake news" and "alternative facts" with the phrase "real-life fanfic." It's made my browsing over the past few days much more enjoyable, including this post and these comments. Also, my first Chrome extension, so yay learning! https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fake-news-to-real-...

> replaces the phrases "real-life fanfic" and "real-life fanfic" with the phrase "real-life fanfic."

Seems a little redundant

Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by DefaultUserHN »

fudgie wrote: post #15
dotnetisnotdead wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See this is the problem. Way too much groupthink nowadays. Do you honestly think Fox News is all fake? Hint: it's not. I'm a lifelong democrat but here's where last November's events hit me even harder than most: I know we earned it. We've been allowing CNN, MSNBC, etc to slam Trump left and right. Does he deserve it? Of course he does! The problem is they stand from an authority position with presumed partiality and…

You can watch a timelapse of the whole inauguration at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdantUf5tXg which shows that the image shared was correct.

>You can watch a timelapse of the whole inauguration.

Very misleading video. That video doesn't show the whole day.

Here is a picture showing the crowds later in the day.

https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg

That video only show earlier in the day, before people started filling it up, as indicated by the time-stamp here...

http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png

Here's a photo closer to the end, showing the crowds goes all the way to the back, almost comparable to Obama's.

https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f...

Re: Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What Truth Really Is

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Post by DefaultUserHN »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #31
dotnetisnotdead wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See this is the problem. Way too much groupthink nowadays. Do you honestly think Fox News is all fake? Hint: it's not. I'm a lifelong democrat but here's where last November's events hit me even harder than most: I know we earned it. We've been allowing CNN, MSNBC, etc to slam Trump left and right. Does he deserve it? Of course he does! The problem is they stand from an authority position with presumed partiality and…

Fox News has been doing the fake/biased news thing for a long time: http://johnhaller.com/useful-stuff/faux-news Plus, your post is literally buying into the 'media downplayed Trump's crowd' and the 'picture was taken before the inauguration' fake news story. The picture was taken at the peak. They even released the video to prove it. Trump's crowd was about on par with George W Bush's. In other words, less than half…

>They even released the video to prove it.

Very misleading video. That video doesn't show the whole day.

Here is a picture showing the crowds later in the day.

https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg

That video only show earlier in the day, before people started filling it up, as indicated by the time-stamp here...

http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png

Here's a photo closer to the end, showing the crowds goes all the way to the back, almost comparable to Obama's.

https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f...

>Fox News has been doing the fake/biased news thing for a long time...

It's ironic that Fox news was so biased before. But this election, Fox News did good. Fox was the only news media that actually show both sides of the story, while the rest of the news media were overwhelmingly biased against Trump.

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