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Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Yeah how lean you are is more diet. I meant that getting leaner through some combination of diet and exercise will make those goals all more achievable, which has obvious health benefits and is something I had in mind when deciding on those goals.

You'd also be surprised at how little evidence there is that diet is an effective long term weight loss strategy.

That's more a problem with how difficult and expensive it is to design and implement good studies.

Studies that rely on self-reporting eating history skew the results to ambiguity, but studies in which the experimenters have full and unambiguous knowledge of calories and macronutrients consumed by subjects reveal that the difference in calories digested and the calories burned explains pretty much all changes in weight. It gets only slightly more complicated when talking about body composition (basically, eat enough protein to support your lean body mass and any athletic activity), and even more complicated when talking about long term health (e.g., micronutrient levels that support long-term physiological maintenance mechanisms which are neglected in the sub-clinical nutrient deficient states most people find themselves in).

Fairly simple linear relationships can be used to freely manipulate one's weight, as shown by pretty much any bodybuilder or athlete competing in a sport with weight classes.

Studies aside, it's obvious that relationship between calories digested compared to calories burned is the main determinant of weight as starving populations around the world can tell you. You can't create or maintain mass without the required energy to support cellular metabolism. The physiology and biochemistry is understood well enough for this not to be an issue. The problems professed by the media reporting on studies are mainly ones of measurement (as people don't usually know how to accurately measure their caloric intake, which is why self-reporting studies are basically worthless) and commitment to lifestyles in which they don't chronically overeat relative to their activity level.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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We need better-quality studies to draw conclusions about causality. A correlation is just a correlation. I didn't read the original study, so I don't know if it drew unwarranted conclusions about causality, but the Science Bulletin article certainly implied them.

If you haven't even read it, why would you assume anything about it?

I'm not clear on what assumption you are claiming I made. My point was about quality of evidence (see, e.g., [1]). Observational studies are considered lower-quality evidence than randomized trials.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC428525/

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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If you haven't even read it, why would you assume anything about it?

I'm not clear on what assumption you are claiming I made. My point was about quality of evidence (see, e.g., [1]). Observational studies are considered lower-quality evidence than randomized trials. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC428525/

I see. I was under the impression that you were criticising this study in particular - apropos of assumptions.

Sorry.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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For anyone looking for a super easy to follow 2 day program, try Stronglifts 5x5. It's only big compounds movements (Squat, Deadlift, Bench Press, Overhead Press and Barbell Row). You squat every workout which I find amazing. The first time I tried jumping to reach something high up after doing the program for 6 months, I almost lost my balance in the air because I wasn't expecting to go that high! It really builds u…

My problem with Stronglift is that it's so boring. Nothing beats doing some isolated bicep curls. I know it's almost taboo here but that's what I recommend - feeling the blood rush into your muscles. You shouldn't stop doing squats, deadlifts etc but rather combine them with isolated exercises. I always look forward to the gym nowadays.

It gets boring after a while, no doubt about it. But for beginners, simply learning (really learning) to do the moves correctly will take a little while as they build up muscle memory and good habits. Once you're there and showing some good numbers, your body is ready for any program you like!

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No, it seems to bulky and thus its hard to use for long periods of time. Just ask VR devs. I do believe that AR have more potential, especially magic leap.

VR dev here. 8 hours with a headset on is way too long, but an hour or two is very doable. (HTC Vive, properly adjusted. Adjustment is key to comfortable wear on the Vive - it's the difference between 15 minutes before discomfort and 2 hours. )

That's the point I'm aiming at, if you have to do real work in VR, then two hours is not enough.

But with headsets small and light enough, it will enable a completely new market. Magic leap said recently that they are now working with production level designs and that it will be smaller than what is currently on market, let's hope that's the case :-)

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Especially now that prolong sitting are stressful on obile or laptop devices often times with uncontrolled radiation coupled with the fact that backache is very likely sequel because of the big weight on it & imagine how many joints are strained in this very common yet vulnerable posture & unwisely used without exercise even within the attic or office! It's precociously an aging grind we must all review our sitting routines & punctuate it with indoor workouts or simply move briskly within a small space I'm in this category too though I can be bold to move out JUST TO STROLL half 1km away from my attic that doubles as my lodging after a bungalow opportunity with big lawn & manho tree eloped to someone else! Gbemisoye TIJANI Healthnewsworker ,life & health coach @gbemi_gbemi @bymst2bymst ALLIanceglobal dis,

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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You'd also be surprised at how little evidence there is that diet is an effective long term weight loss strategy.

That's more a problem with how difficult and expensive it is to design and implement good studies. Studies that rely on self-reporting eating history skew the results to ambiguity, but studies in which the experimenters have full and unambiguous knowledge of calories and macronutrients consumed by subjects reveal that the difference in calories digested and the calories burned explains pretty much all changes in weig…

It's true if you eat fewer calories you will be thinner, but every study done on diets over the long term(3+ years) shows success rates that hover around 5%(for people who have already succeeded in losing significant weight)

Imagine we gave the startup advice "make lots of money, spend very little money". It is advice that every successful company since the beginning of time has followed. And every failed company has failed to do so. However this advice is exactly as valuable as the advice "eat less calories, burn more".

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> than a wager informed by knowledge of the research on the factors that contribute to longevity. Not the longevity that gets you to 100. The stats on centennials shows it's genetics. - see the Forbes article covering the people studying it.

Yes it must be binary. No spectrum of benefits.

Smoking must cause cancer is the same kind of misleading nonsequitor. It misses the point. So no it "mustn't" be anything. It just is.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Yes it must be binary. No spectrum of benefits.

Smoking must cause cancer is the same kind of misleading nonsequitor. It misses the point. So no it "mustn't" be anything. It just is.

Cite your claims then.

Show me even one study that says reaching 100 is 100% due to genetics and no amount of dietary or lifestyle changes contribute in any way.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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post #311

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That's more a problem with how difficult and expensive it is to design and implement good studies. Studies that rely on self-reporting eating history skew the results to ambiguity, but studies in which the experimenters have full and unambiguous knowledge of calories and macronutrients consumed by subjects reveal that the difference in calories digested and the calories burned explains pretty much all changes in weig…

It's true if you eat fewer calories you will be thinner, but every study done on diets over the long term(3+ years) shows success rates that hover around 5%(for people who have already succeeded in losing significant weight) Imagine we gave the startup advice "make lots of money, spend very little money". It is advice that every successful company since the beginning of time has followed. And every failed company has…

This is 100% because they fail to adhere to a caloric intake that is at or below their TDEE. That's about behavior, not physiology. They aren't violating the first law of thermodynamics and creating new mass and energy out of nothing. They're eating too much. They aren't tracking their weight and modifying their behavior when they see it going in a direction they and their physicians don't want.

It's no different than the fact that you must spend less than you make to avoid going into debt, and that you must save a certain percentage of your income to save up enough for retirement so that you can continue your standard of living once you retire. And yet we find huge portions of the US population in debt with little to no savings. This doesn't mean the advice is bad or invaluable.

This doesn't mean they're mentally incapable of saving up. That's a behavioral issue, too. And behaviors can be modified. There's research about how to successfully do that, too. Entire industries revolve around modifying behaviors to extract profit from people.

That the studies that you are personally aware of show that people have trouble maintaining a healthy weight suggests, not that it's impossible, but that the subjects don't know how to form and maintain habits.

That people can't implement advice doesn't mean it isn't valuable. At most, it just means they need more advice or counsel. But not different, mutually exclusive, advice.

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