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Re: The Secret Agenda of a Facebook Quiz

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Post by Natsu » Sun, Jan 22, 2017, 11:13 PM UTC

ma2rten wrote: post #110

Natsu wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the danger here is that they might find something they agree with Trump on?

I don't know if there is danger, but I find the idea very scary that there is an organization that collects very intimate data on me without my knowledge and uses that to manipulate me. They are not really trying to find points that people agree on with Trump. They are trying to create a strong emotional image that works with the person in question and connect it to Trump.

That's advertising in a nutshell, though. You can (and should) limit the information you put out. You can (and should) learn to recognize emotional manipulation of all kinds from all sources.

Re: The Secret Agenda of a Facebook Quiz

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Post by mattnewton » Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 12:49 AM UTC

wtbob wrote: post #99

> In this election, dark posts were used to try to suppress the African-American vote. According to Bloomberg, the Trump campaign sent ads reminding certain selected black voters of Hillary Clinton’s infamous “super predator” line. It targeted Miami’s Little Haiti neighborhood with messages about the Clinton Foundation’s troubles in Haiti after the 2010 earthquake. How is this suppressing the vote? It's giving potent…

An answer to how this is different is provided in literally the next sentence of the article.

>Federal Election Commission rules are unclear when it comes to Facebook posts, but even if they do apply and the facts are skewed and the dog whistles loud, the already weakening power of social opprobrium is gone when no one else sees the ad you see — and no one else sees “I’m Donald Trump, and I approved this message.”

Re: The Secret Agenda of a Facebook Quiz

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Post by ma2rten » Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 1:29 AM UTC

Natsu wrote: post #111

ma2rten wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if there is danger, but I find the idea very scary that there is an organization that collects very intimate data on me without my knowledge and uses that to manipulate me. They are not really trying to find points that people agree on with Trump. They are trying to create a strong emotional image that works with the person in question and connect it to Trump.

That's advertising in a nutshell, though. You can (and should) limit the information you put out. You can (and should) learn to recognize emotional manipulation of all kinds from all sources.

I know, but ...

a) This degree of personalization is completely unheard of.

b) No one except the most paranoid expects that when they fill in a quiz that information will be recorded and stored.

c) Normally with personalized advertising (or advertising in general) the worst that can happen is that the person advertised to will buy something they don't need. In this case it can have implications for many other people.

Re: The Secret Agenda of a Facebook Quiz

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Post by Natsu » Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 5:40 AM UTC

ma2rten wrote: post #113

Natsu wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's advertising in a nutshell, though. You can (and should) limit the information you put out. You can (and should) learn to recognize emotional manipulation of all kinds from all sources.

I know, but ... a) This degree of personalization is completely unheard of. b) No one except the most paranoid expects that when they fill in a quiz that information will be recorded and stored. c) Normally with personalized advertising (or advertising in general) the worst that can happen is that the person advertised to will buy something they don't need. In this case it can have implications for many other people.

A) Not really, Google knows way more about us. B) That sounds like a problem with education. C) This is by no means the only targeted political advertising. They have systems to track what you respond to and have done so for quite some time now. Calls, letters, even people visiting at the door don't happen by accident.