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Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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post #63

if FSF wants a intelligent assistant it will have to collect usage data, no? a little against the whole principle... but if the data are open, that would be kind of cool ;)

An AI-driven assistant doesn't have to necessarily run on someone else's servers and be under their control to be useful. In fact, if I teach my assistant patterns like how when I say "David" I mean David O, then I don't see a) why this type of learning can't be fully localized, or b) how phoning home with this kind of data is going to be of any particular use to anybody else, anyway.

To put it another way, what's wrong with letting my Siri and your Siri just be two different "people" instead of feeding back into a single, networked hivemind?

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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> Encourage contribution by people underrepresented in the community Why is this necessary? There's no force keeping people from contributing, they are just choosing not to. edit: To those downvoting me, can you please explain to me what is wrong with what I said?

> There's no force keeping people from contributing, they are just choosing not to. We all naturally have tunnel vision, and apply our experience to everyone else. I can't speak for you, but many people who don't face discrimination naturally don't encounter the obstacles and don't feel negatively toward minorities; they assume that therefore such things don't exist. But something is missing from our perception, beca…

I'm tired of the "check your privilege" crowd bringing their guilt mongering into everything.

You know what I love about free software? It's ultimately judged on merits.

I use software everyday written by all kinds of people, many of whom I would otherwise have little in common with. I don't care about their personal lives, political opinions, or baggage. I care about what they've produced and vice versa. It's the ultimate level playing field.

Please keep the social justice fighting out of free software or you'll kill the openness that has built a worldwide ecosystem.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is about world domination, or rather liberation. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/a-preliminary-analysis-o... : > projects of strategic importance to the goal of freedom for _all computer users_.

All computer users have the freedom. They are free to switch to it at any time. That is the thing about freedom, you are free to not do it.

There are still obstacles that prevent someone from switching - lack of Free alternatives to software used in their working environments, lack of knowledge about the existing alternatives, even the lack of understanding of the difference between Free and non-Free software.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putting polical corectness aside, it's important to have as a varied crowd as possible using your software, to figure out what's still missing, where you still fall short. I saw that happening time and time again - something I didn't consider important at all, was essential for other folks. One example - if no blind people use your software, you'll never know how hard or easy it is for them - hence you'll never get a…

> Putting polical corectness aside I'm not sure what that term means. If anything, the politically correct thing - the acceptable thing - is to take shots at "political correctness". But let's have a clear definition and say how it applies to something in particular in this discussion.

At this point, any hand-wringing over political correctness feels like mass hysteria a la UFOs in the '50s or fairies in the Victorian era. I see a lot of complaining about it, but I can't even tell you the last time I witnessed any examples of political correctness having any impact on anything of any import whatsoever.

On the other hand, I've seen seemingly endless instances of people using political correctness as a strawman to blow off disagreements or criticism without having to address them. It's like a blank check for assholes: if they think that all the people who think they are assholes are a bunch of brainwashed PC zombies, that's a lot easier to deal with than looking in the mirror, thinking about it for like 2 seconds, and maybe growing up a little. Nowadays anti-political correctness seems like an infinitely more widespread and toxic influence on our culture than any supposed PC conspiracy, in the sense that it shuts down honest discussion and keeps people from talking about real issues or understanding each other's perspectives.

Ironically a lot anti-PC hysteria uses verbiage about how we should all be up front and direct and brutally honest, but in practice it ends up doing the exact opposite. Nowadays anti-PC hysteria isn't people saying "tell me how you REALLY feel, don't mince words, let's talk straight about real issues"; rather, it's a mostly homogenous group of people saying "shut up and go away, I don't care about seeing things from your point of view, how dare you act like you're special enough to have your own perspective".

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Putting polical corectness aside I'm not sure what that term means. If anything, the politically correct thing - the acceptable thing - is to take shots at "political correctness". But let's have a clear definition and say how it applies to something in particular in this discussion.

At this point, any hand-wringing over political correctness feels like mass hysteria a la UFOs in the '50s or fairies in the Victorian era. I see a lot of complaining about it, but I can't even tell you the last time I witnessed any examples of political correctness having any impact on anything of any import whatsoever. On the other hand, I've seen seemingly endless instances of people using political correctness as…

> I see a lot of complaining about it, but I can't even tell you the last time I witnessed any examples of political correctness having any impact on anything of any import whatsoever.

You've never worked in an office? It has an impact all the time because there are many subjects not safe to discuss.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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post #33

This is the right thing to do and I hope it is not too little too late. Free/libre OSS won the battle for the server, lost the battle for the desktop, but desktop is not (that) relevant anymore. FLOSS phone ecosystem will be hard to next to impossible, in my opinion, but worth going into. Self-hosted server side software has a very good chance of succeeding. For a long time I essentially wanted something like Synolog…

> FLOSS phone ecosystem will be hard to next to impossible, in my opinion Plasma Mobile is not in a bad state [1] [1]: https://plasma-mobile.org/

It is when you consider the state of hardware support. Hopefully something like the fairphone will become popular.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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post #63

if FSF wants a intelligent assistant it will have to collect usage data, no? a little against the whole principle... but if the data are open, that would be kind of cool ;)

We had them running on desktops in the 90's. They didn't take off because they simply aren't that useful.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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I'm actually happy that the FSF has considered this one: - Free phone operating system They don't have the for-profit nature of both Mozilla and Canonical and perhaps supporting the FSF over either of those 2 (Mozillas failed FFOS and no availability of the UbuntuOS mobile devices) will ensure a stable OS that isn't Google-ware. PS. I know Mozilla isn't for-profit, but they abandoned FFOS just like a for-profit would

The only organizations that don't abandon projects are the ones that never took them on to begin with (or the ones designed around a specific project). It's not a for-profit vs non-profit distinction.

In this case, unfortunately, being in the high priority list of the FSF doesn't mean much. It's a list of stuff they'd like to see being developed, not actually a list of projects being actively supported with funding or developers' time.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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post #62

While doing all of this catch-up is important, I think it would help FOSS politically (as it were) if there were something new and exemplary to come out. Signal is a good example (once they fix the Google thing, and BTW someone finally took up Moxie on the offer and there's a PR in progress). Maybe Sandstorm too (Plug and play web apps that are secure? That's kind of novel and useful if you think about it. And IMO th…

FOSS often plays catch-up, because true innovation is really hard and takes a lot of time and resources. It's frequently too much to ask of an all-volunteer workforce. It's not that they can't do it (ultimately the people writing FOSS are the same people as those writing apps for companies) it's just that there isn't the same set of motives in place. This is why in earlier days, GNOME's goal was to catch up to Window…

> true innovation is really hard and takes a lot of time and resources

It's like Bell Labs, but instead of helping the phone system make money, we help free software take over the world. That's a really interesting idea. I wonder how the technical staff are going to avoid starvation?

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