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Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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Post by shmerl »

mynegation wrote: post #8

This is the right thing to do and I hope it is not too little too late. Free/libre OSS won the battle for the server, lost the battle for the desktop, but desktop is not (that) relevant anymore. FLOSS phone ecosystem will be hard to next to impossible, in my opinion, but worth going into. Self-hosted server side software has a very good chance of succeeding. For a long time I essentially wanted something like Synolog…

> Free/libre OSS won the battle for the server, lost the battle for the desktop, but desktop is not (that) relevant anymore.

Desktop won't stop being relevant in the foreseeable future - there is nothing to replace it with for a whole variety of tasks. And usage of Linux on the desktop is gradually growing.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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Post by tornadoboy55 »

idobai wrote: post #10
mynegation wrote: post #8

This is the right thing to do and I hope it is not too little too late. Free/libre OSS won the battle for the server, lost the battle for the desktop, but desktop is not (that) relevant anymore. FLOSS phone ecosystem will be hard to next to impossible, in my opinion, but worth going into. Self-hosted server side software has a very good chance of succeeding. For a long time I essentially wanted something like Synolog…

> Free/libre OSS won the battle for the server, lost the battle for the desktop I don't think it lost the battle on desktop - if you don't rely on platform(or interest)-specific software like the adobe/microsoft suites and some 3A games then you'll be more than fine on the linux desktop.

Shame that the battle for the desktop is actually (mostly) being fought on the laptop - and Linux sucks there. The default settings are usually extremely poor for powersaving. Why doesn't powertop+TLP get installed, configured and activated by default when Ubuntu/Fedora detects its installed on a laptop? Also, sleeping still isn't reliable (if I close my Macbook with some work on I can be damn sure it'll be exactly as I left it when I open it. With Linux, its still not 100% reliable). Wifi still also isn't nearly as reliable (packet loss, connection drops etc.) as either Windows or macOS.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

#14

Post by emilsedgh »

mynegation wrote: post #8

This is the right thing to do and I hope it is not too little too late. Free/libre OSS won the battle for the server, lost the battle for the desktop, but desktop is not (that) relevant anymore. FLOSS phone ecosystem will be hard to next to impossible, in my opinion, but worth going into. Self-hosted server side software has a very good chance of succeeding. For a long time I essentially wanted something like Synolog…

It was not about world domonation. It was about having a good free desktop.

And we nailed it. We have several desktops and they all have decent quality.

It seems that the problem on phones isnt that Android/iOS have all the market share.

Biggest problem seems to be closed hardware.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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Post by brudgers »

mynegation wrote: post #8

This is the right thing to do and I hope it is not too little too late. Free/libre OSS won the battle for the server, lost the battle for the desktop, but desktop is not (that) relevant anymore. FLOSS phone ecosystem will be hard to next to impossible, in my opinion, but worth going into. Self-hosted server side software has a very good chance of succeeding. For a long time I essentially wanted something like Synolog…

If GNU's idea of free software and open source are lumped together, I'm not convinced that the battle for the desktop and mobile are over due to the direction Microsoft is currently heading and the way in which Apple's closed source ambitions are increasingly subject to criticism on the basis of being closed source. Of course the caveat is I'm looking at it more as the 100 Years' War [1] than the 30 Years' War [2].

The reason I take the long term view is that it seems to me that open source development provides advantages that play out over the long term. At the very least, Google and Red Hat's hybrid models look more and more like the main stream default.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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Post by icebraining »

tyingq wrote: post #6
QuadrupleA wrote: post #5

The site crashed :|

Maybe fast, but lightweight and scalable web server is on the list? (joking a bit, but there isn't a notable GPL licensed web server, is there?)

There's Cherokee, but it doesn't seem to be in active development.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

#17

Post by icebraining »

vpol wrote: post #12

I think there is too much politics behind fsf. Instead of battling for users they are battling for licenses.

The FSF is a political organization; saying it has too much politics behind it is an oxymoron. And choosing to go after users over licenses is also a political decision.

Besides, we already have Open Source as a movement that makes the pragmatic argument for free software, there's no need to water down the FSF.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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Post by hannob »

vpol wrote: post #12

I think there is too much politics behind fsf. Instead of battling for users they are battling for licenses.

A license defines what a user is allowed to do with a software. Therefore battling for licenses can very well mean battling for users and seeing them as a contradiction doesn't make any sense.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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Post by mlinksva »

vpol wrote: post #12

I think there is too much politics behind fsf. Instead of battling for users they are battling for licenses.

Battling for licenses is a symptom of too little and small-thinking politics, not too much. Fortunately they included https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/free-softwar... which is a step toward engaging in something more.

Re: Free Software Foundation Priority Projects

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Post by mlinksva »

emilsedgh wrote: post #14
mynegation wrote: post #8

This is the right thing to do and I hope it is not too little too late. Free/libre OSS won the battle for the server, lost the battle for the desktop, but desktop is not (that) relevant anymore. FLOSS phone ecosystem will be hard to next to impossible, in my opinion, but worth going into. Self-hosted server side software has a very good chance of succeeding. For a long time I essentially wanted something like Synolog…

It was not about world domonation. It was about having a good free desktop. And we nailed it. We have several desktops and they all have decent quality. It seems that the problem on phones isnt that Android/iOS have all the market share. Biggest problem seems to be closed hardware.

It is about world domination, or rather liberation.

https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/a-preliminary-analysis-o... :

> projects of strategic importance to the goal of freedom for _all computer users_.

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