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United Arab Emirates goes from 10k Tor users to 250k in days

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Re: United Arab Emirates goes from 10k Tor users to 250k in days

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What this really indicates, bot or not, is that once you educate people, they will act in their self (and more importantly, self+others) interests. Oppressive and controlling (controlling or controling, I can never decide) regimes will try to prevent it. But it is like trying to prevent wind. The wind will come. You must adapt and accept. And if you are against the wind, you must change.

I appreciate the poetry but blocking Tor is a lot easier than preventing the wind and some governments (e.g. China) successfully do so.

China is also doing large-scale experiments with artifical changing of the weather, so...

Re: United Arab Emirates goes from 10k Tor users to 250k in days

#52
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And even if they were only counting successful connections, connections != users.

In the land of Tor can you distinguish the difference in any meaningful way? I agree generally but I don't see how Tor could differentiate.

You'd have to do an anonymous survey of 'do you use Tor?' & project from there

Re: United Arab Emirates goes from 10k Tor users to 250k in days

#53
post #45

I believe that tor metrics counts when a connection starts, not when a connection is _established_ This is a important difference, because if there is active DPI that is shutting down a connection before handshake can happen, it will inflate the numbers massively. I suspect what actually is happening is a ISP in UAE has deployed a DPI system that can detect the Tor TLS signature

This sounds convincing, a 25-fold spike in real users seems unlikely. If your theory is correct, then the title is slightly misleading.

The title isn't misleading, "the estimated number of directly-connecting clients" is what is meant by "users".

I'm not very familiar with TOR, but does this reaffirm what OP is asking, that this might be DPI causing re-connections for TOR in UAE? If so is this a new policy of banning TOR, or is this just a recent ramp up in existing policy?

Re: United Arab Emirates goes from 10k Tor users to 250k in days

#55
post #54

The same rise was seen in Turkey last month. The phenomenon is caused by failed reconnect due to DPI-based censorship. See Annex A: https://turkeyblocks.org/2016/12/18/tor-blocked-in-turkey-vp...

Turkey Blocks' research and terminal capture suggest each failed attempt causes about 100 broken Tor connections, explaining the spike in metrics where one would really expect a drop.

Re: United Arab Emirates goes from 10k Tor users to 250k in days

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If this is an attempt by the UAE to prevent TOR connections via DPI, who would the primary target(s) be? I recognize that's an awkward question to ask of an anonymized service like TOR, but who are the actors in the UAE who might use TOR and why target them now?

Re: United Arab Emirates goes from 10k Tor users to 250k in days

#58
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds convincing, a 25-fold spike in real users seems unlikely. If your theory is correct, then the title is slightly misleading.

The title isn't misleading, "the estimated number of directly-connecting clients" is what is meant by "users". I'm not very familiar with TOR, but does this reaffirm what OP is asking, that this might be DPI causing re-connections for TOR in UAE? If so is this a new policy of banning TOR, or is this just a recent ramp up in existing policy?

It is a little misleading. Misleading I think should be the correct word choice. It might not be incorrect, but it is misleading.

Another example that comes to mind is the Colorado newspaper headline that crime has "doubled" in the last decade. That leads a person down the train of thought that crime is out of control. In reality, it grew in proportion to the population. The headline, "Crime grows in proportion with population" doesn't evoke gasps and sales of your paper.

Re: United Arab Emirates goes from 10k Tor users to 250k in days

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title isn't misleading, "the estimated number of directly-connecting clients" is what is meant by "users". I'm not very familiar with TOR, but does this reaffirm what OP is asking, that this might be DPI causing re-connections for TOR in UAE? If so is this a new policy of banning TOR, or is this just a recent ramp up in existing policy?

It is a little misleading. Misleading I think should be the correct word choice. It might not be incorrect, but it is misleading. Another example that comes to mind is the Colorado newspaper headline that crime has "doubled" in the last decade. That leads a person down the train of thought that crime is out of control. In reality, it grew in proportion to the population. The headline, "Crime grows in proportion with…

Fair point, my misinterpretation.

Re: United Arab Emirates goes from 10k Tor users to 250k in days

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post #47
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't downvote you, but I can imagine two different reasons that people might have done so: (1) They want to emphasize that there are lots of reasons to use Tor other than political dissidence and that Tor use should be normal or common for lots of people in lots of situations. (2) They feel like the role of tools like Tor in facilitating political dissidence is overstated and that you were implying that Tor will…

It's a matter of intent. If people are willing to try to get around oppression, they have already indicated their intent to strive for better. Maybe it takes a year, or 5, or 10, or more, but people will group and work for freedom. That is my point.

The same could be said for tyranny.
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