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Talking seriously with children is good for their language proficiency

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Re: Talking seriously with children is good for their language proficiency

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The only reference I could find for this was the following conference presentation:

http://home.medewerker.uva.nl/l.henrichs/bestanden/LHenrichs...

It seems to be based on some rather odd (and completely unsupported) ideas of what constitutes an "academic register", and the results are pretty messy. It would be better if Science Daily could give a real citation to back this up.

edit: There is also this, listed on the author's homepage:

Henrichs, L. F., & Schoonen, R. (2009). Lexical features of parental academic language input. The effect on vocabulary growthin monolingual Dutch children. In B. J. Richards, H. M. Daller, D. D. Malvern, P. P. Meara, J. Milton & J. Treffers-Daller (Eds.), Vocabulary studies in first and second language acquisition: the interface between theory and application (pp. 1-22). Houndmills: Palgrave Macmillan.

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I have noticed this about people I know that have good vocabularies and were top students when they were young: Their fathers don't do baby talk. When I've seen their fathers interacting with young children, they talk to them as young adults. Is this a known correlation or is my sample size too small?

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I have noticed this about people I know that have good vocabularies and were top students when they were young: Their fathers don't do baby talk. When I've seen their fathers interacting with young children, they talk to them as young adults. Is this a known correlation or is my sample size too small?

When I was a kid one of my teachers asked me if I'd gotten a boo-boo. "No," I told her, "It's an injury."

My parents always spoke to me as an adult. I'll leave it to you to judge how well it turned out.

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Hey, I do remember as a kid being frustrated when people would dumb down when talking to you. Also, when they refused to talk to me about things because "I was too young to be concerned about these things." Pissed me right off. I always liked the adults who took me seriously.

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I've always thought that if I had children I would try to treat them less like little kids and with more autonomy. For example if they misbehaved, instead of just punishing them, I would give them a chance to write a paraphraph or two if they wished to dispute the punishment. Or giving them some (though not complete) freedom in choosing what to do, such as "would you prefer to go the opera, play, or concert?" Is this a good idea or am I being too optimistic?

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I've always thought that if I had children I would try to treat them less like little kids and with more autonomy. For example if they misbehaved, instead of just punishing them, I would give them a chance to write a paraphraph or two if they wished to dispute the punishment. Or giving them some (though not complete) freedom in choosing what to do, such as "would you prefer to go the opera, play, or concert?" Is this…

There's always the risk that they'd prefer hanging out with the hoodies.

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Kids learn not just the language, but the dialect(s) that they're exposed to. At that age, being talked to is the only way they have of acquiring language, so they're going acquire exactly what they're exposed to. The idea of dialects is absolutely critical, but a lot of people aren't aware of them[1]. A kid isn't going to learn proper English unless they're raised hearing and talking it, no amount of grammar instruction is going to make proper English anything more than another foreign language unless they're actually speaking it for themselves.

This is not to say that "proper" English is any better than dialects of English. I'm a descriptivist, not a prescriptivist. That said, a) "proper" English is a pretty significant signalling mechanism so it's socially advantageous to speak it fluently b) if language influences thought patterns, "baby talk" is a pretty crippled language and you shouldn't cripple your kid's expressive or reasoning abilities. Even if they grow out of it, replacing their language facilities is lost development time.

[1] Going sociopolitical for a second: This is more of a problem for people who are members of the group "in power," for various definitions of the term, but being a middle-class white guy in America qualifies. If you're "in power" and your own dialect is the default, then you don't have to switch dialects depending on the social situation, which makes you less sensitive to the presence of dialects as well as their role in social interactions.

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I've always thought that if I had children I would try to treat them less like little kids and with more autonomy. For example if they misbehaved, instead of just punishing them, I would give them a chance to write a paraphraph or two if they wished to dispute the punishment. Or giving them some (though not complete) freedom in choosing what to do, such as "would you prefer to go the opera, play, or concert?" Is this…

Maybe too optimistic but the right idea. The tricks I've found with giving my 4 year old autonomy and responsibility are

a) make it abundantly clear that sometimes, what Daddy says, goes, and

b) realizing that kids behavior fluctuates up and down with their energy level and environment. Trying to rationalize with a kid who didn't eat lunch, or who's wasted at the end of the day is a lost cause and you just have to step up and enforce.

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