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Re: EFF's 100-Day Plan

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Post by schmengazi »

geofft wrote: post #20
akjainaj wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Make no mistake: privacy, liberty, and accountability are not partisan issues. I don't think they believe that. Or at least they didn't whine so much about Obama, who was horrible for digital privacy. And Hillary would've continued that legacy, but of course they didn't whine about that either.

> And Hillary would've continued that legacy, but of course they didn't whine about that either. As Mr. President would say, "Wrong." Here they are whining about her eeemaaails: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/03/foilies-2016-recognizi...

blorp blorp blorp! people died in bengasee!

oh noes! not more dead people in bengasee???

what about the embassy??? four more year so that nobody ever dies in bengasee evar againnnnnnnnnnn

hey guys dü yü remembar bengasee??? what an important talking point!

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  At some point, we'll have to redress 
  the misuse of that echo chamber for
  political smearing.

Re: EFF's 100-Day Plan

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Post by burkaman »

alacombe wrote: post #18

> 2. We will test and leverage the Freedom of Information Act. Wait... isn't Obama's administration already the worst ever when it comes to FOIA denials ?

Obama isn't president anymore, so that isn't really relevant.

Re: EFF's 100-Day Plan

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Post by wang_li »

burkaman wrote: post #22
alacombe wrote: post #18

> 2. We will test and leverage the Freedom of Information Act. Wait... isn't Obama's administration already the worst ever when it comes to FOIA denials ?

Obama isn't president anymore, so that isn't really relevant.

It's the same civil service though.

Re: EFF's 100-Day Plan

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Post by rm_-rf_slash »

leereeves wrote: post #15
rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not mutually exclusive, but the fix for the latter to ensure the former is education, not legislation.

The power to declare something "disinformation" is the power to censor. I don't think I'd trust anyone who has governed in my lifetime not to abuse that power.

I think you missed my point. It takes critical thinking to discern truth from misinformation, regardless of political preferences.

Re: EFF's 100-Day Plan

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Post by jakeogh »

alacombe wrote: post #18

> 2. We will test and leverage the Freedom of Information Act. Wait... isn't Obama's administration already the worst ever when it comes to FOIA denials ?

Yes. And prosecuting whistle-blowers. "well he's not prez now so so what?" is a amusing cop-out.

Re: EFF's 100-Day Plan

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Post by Noos »

sophacles wrote: post #16
leereeves wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a free and open internet. > defending against disinformation Pick at most one.

Disagree - The tools for hyperbole, opposing viewpoints, and factually false information do not prevent people from publishing it. Aggregators (facebook, HN et al) choosing to promote more vetted info is not the same as preventing people from publishing it. In fact I would go so far as to say that pushing for allowing anyone to publish on a free and open internet is necessary for defending against disinformation. The…

people tend to view "free and open internet" insofar as it promotes their own views. Free and open internet is nice if it destablizes the power of traditional religion and promotes tolerance of alternative sexuality, but if the same corrosive power is turned on the values of the gatekeepers, suddenly we're arguing about no longer allowing comments on web pages, debating about "fake news" and the like.

People tend to want to cloak their own values in rhetoric that is appealing. They want to seem tolerant and open, when really they want to be closed and intolerant of opposition to their own values. Some people realize this tendency in themselves, but many of those in power or as gatekeepers don't at all.

Re: EFF's 100-Day Plan

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Post by whazor »

leereeves wrote: post #13
vinhboy wrote: post #11

This reminded me to donate. A lot of people in Trump's camp relentlessly defends the 2nd Amendment, but in my opinion, that is just a purposeful distraction to the real weapon we should be defending: a free and open internet. Now this also means defending against disinformation (ie. fake news), which is not something I saw on the EFF's plan. It's honestly very scary now that Theil and Palantir is in bed with them.

> a free and open internet. > defending against disinformation Pick at most one.

Or maybe ban advertising on sites with disinformation.
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