This doesn’t hold up to all sedentary modes of living. Monks sit all day but appear in some cases to have cells absurdly younger than chronological baseline.
Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging
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Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging
#302This doesn’t hold up to all sedentary modes of living. Monks sit all day but appear in some cases to have cells absurdly younger than chronological baseline.
Could you provide a reference? What I've heard of monastic life sounds relatively actve- a complicated schedule of chores and prayer and other obligations, all in different places. It's hard to inagine that goes with the sort of eight-hour sit an office worker is prone to.
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Barbell training (e.g., presses, squats, deadlifts, etc.) 2+ days per week to the point that you can deadlift twice your bodyweight or more. Get to the point of being able to do 30 pullups in a row. Running 30 minutes or more 3+ days per week until you can run a 5k in less than 20 minutes. (Any form of cardio is acceptable and has an equivalent distance and pace.) The above are goals that are achievable for most peop…
those are some ridiculous statements. i'll ignore rest and focus on 2x the body weight via deadlifts. for me this would mean doing 180kg (400 pound) deadlifts which most people simply never ever achieve with 2-3x/week routine (I am lean 188cm tall sporty guy). unless you have a) excellent genes for joints and all connective tissue (tendons, legaments etc) and b) super-duper perfect flawless form that you can maintain…
> i'll ignore rest and focus on 2x the body weight via deadlifts. for me this would mean doing 180kg (400 pound) deadlifts which most people simply never ever achieve with 2-3x/week routine (I am lean 188cm tall sporty guy).
Most people follow the wrong routine. I went from no prior weight lifting experience to a 180kg deadlift at 75kg body weight at 180cm height in just over six months training three times a week. No one considered this unusual. The difference is that I was training together with experienced powerlifters.
I stopped competing in powerlifting nine years ago and now lift casually to keep in shape and as physical therapy for injuries sustained from other activities. There is no way I could get from the 100kg I lift now back up to 200+ using this approach, and most people I see in the gym don't even try as hard as that. 180kg is definitely possible training twice a week if you train right.
> unless you have a) excellent genes for joints and all connective tissue (tendons, legaments etc) and b) super-duper perfect flawless form that you can maintain at any situation and any point of exhaustion, you will screw up your body. it might take 10 years or 20 to see it, but reaching 60-70 you will be more crippled than most sendentary people.
What makes you say this? Anecdotally I have known a few 60- and 70- year old powerlifters who still put up 140kg+ deadlifts and they seemed fine. The older retired Olympic weightlifters I have met seemed fine as well.
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I totally agree that running, deadlifts, and pull ups are great exercises. And while goals can be motivating, un-achievable goals can also be demotivating. Regarding the comment about exercises forcing you to be lean, you might not familiar with most of the research on exercise and how it affects weight. But the best way to summarize it is "Exercise is a great obesity preventative, it is a completely ineffective cure…
Yeah how lean you are is more diet. I meant that getting leaner through some combination of diet and exercise will make those goals all more achievable, which has obvious health benefits and is something I had in mind when deciding on those goals.
You'd also be surprised at how little evidence there is that diet is an effective long term weight loss strategy.
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Do you even lift? It's really easy to start, and it's really easy to get caught up in the habit. It sounds implausible, but I became a much better programmer after I started lifting weights every day.
That's pretty cool, I guess exercise helps improve mood a lot. I should definitely give lifting every day a shot. I'm searching for a good set of weights on Amazon, but I'm a bit lost. Can you recommend anything (that's a good for a beginner)?
I bought these which work well:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VCDXNS/ref=oh_aui_sear...
Once you can handle the max included weight, you can buy more plates.
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It's not just definitions, it's also that a lot of people experience actual adverse reactions to exercise [1]. The typical social script is to condescendingly explain to them how they must be doing it wrong, and doctors often have trouble finding a medical explanation (even when it actually is caused by a medical condition), so people often blame themselves for having problems. This is, to put it mildly, not an optim…
Now I'm wondering if I have some degree of that. I've just commented on a sibling comment that while I love exercising, I just feel terrible right after it. I also have this funny thing where I can't build endurance. I've been doing push ups on every work out and I can't for the life of me do more than 20. But I have no trouble increasing difficulty (putting hands closer, elevating feet, etc.) or weight (for things w…
How often do you do workouts? How far do you push yourself on number 20?
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Depends on your definition of "feel worse". Is it bad to feel out of breath? I quite enjoy it in certain contexts.
It's not just definitions, it's also that a lot of people experience actual adverse reactions to exercise [1]. The typical social script is to condescendingly explain to them how they must be doing it wrong, and doctors often have trouble finding a medical explanation (even when it actually is caused by a medical condition), so people often blame themselves for having problems. This is, to put it mildly, not an optim…
And by "a lot" you mean a minority of people...
> The typical social script is to condescendingly explain to them how they must be doing it wrong
This is a bad situation when the person has a problem. I have family with chronic fatigue (+chronic pain) and it's mentally hard to get how they feel, but I've learned that I cannot have the same expectations for them as others.
Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging
#308I sit ~10 hours daily, including 2+ hours driving. I'm naturally skinny but haven't done much physical exercises in recent years ("busy"). Now, at age of 34, I'm starting to realize that my body won't last forever and finally started to exercise few times per week, after I found motivating enough guide¹. It amazing how much more energized it makes you feel. [1] https://www.julian.com/learn/muscle/intro
Nice, but if you have body fat then you still need another guide to lose it. I'd rather have a guide that deals with muscles and fat simultaneously. From the linked website: > Recognize that all these guys have low body fat, which helps reveal their muscles. You will not actually lose fat by lifting weights, so weight loss is a separate goal altogether.
I actually paired the ketosis diet (ruled.me) with shapiro's guide and lost most of my excess body fat while toning the important things. It's been about five months and the changes are pronounced.
Bonus, keto is kind of a brain booster too. Not dissimilar in effect from fasting except sustainable.
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I don't understand what you mean by "better-quality studies" (in the context of this study). It seems to me that you're really looking for follow-up studies. This study "assessed the association of sedentary time with leukocyte telomere length (LTL)" [0] - that's it. Investigating causal relationships would be another study. You're right about alternate interpretations/speculation, though. [0]: https://academic.oup.c…
We need better-quality studies to draw conclusions about causality. A correlation is just a correlation. I didn't read the original study, so I don't know if it drew unwarranted conclusions about causality, but the Science Bulletin article certainly implied them.
If you haven't even read it, why would you assume anything about it?
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It's not a big leap from inactivity to cardiovascular disease, though. Or diabetes. Or a host of other diseases for which exercise is an often recommended preventative measure.
I didn't say inactivity was healthy, just the post you were responding to gave no indication that the poster was overweight, just inactive. And diabetes is related to weight, not activity.
It's related to both, actually, though primarily diet.