Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web" • Hacker News Board

Re: Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web"

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Post by jsz0 » Thu, May 13, 2010, 4:15 PM UTC

We believe that consumers should be able to freely access their favorite content and applications, regardless of what computer they have, what browser they like, or what device suits their needs

That just doesn't jive with reality. Adobe is the sole gatekeeper of where Flash is available and how good the experience is. I don't see Flash Player 10 available for FreeBSD/PPC, NetBSD/anything, Solaris/SPARC, Linux/SPARC, Linux/MIPS, nothing for IA64, etc. Of course I don't blame Adobe for not supporting these platforms but the point is no one else can offer Flash support on them either.

Re: Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web"

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Post by evo_9 » Thu, May 13, 2010, 4:16 PM UTC

Dear Adobe - please stop pretending to be a tools developer because you really suck at it.

Re: Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web"

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Post by misuba » Thu, May 13, 2010, 4:24 PM UTC

bbatsell wrote: post #9

misuba wrote: post #7

"We publish the specifications for Flash — meaning anyone can make their own Flash player. Yet, Adobe Flash technology remains the market leader because of the constant creativity and technical innovation of our employees." Read: our player remains the only viable one because we keep moving the goalposts on everyone else.

Also: because they're lying — they don't publish the full Flash spec. Any alternate Flash implementation simply doesn't work on video sites with encrypted streams, which means it will never gain traction.

Oddly, such a Flash player would probably do fine on major mobile platforms.

Re: Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web"

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Post by tewks » Thu, May 13, 2010, 4:29 PM UTC

renewableGuy wrote: post #10

tewks wrote: post #5

Apple's engineering decisions have produced a platform that works pretty well and is enjoyable to develop for. They've sold a lot of handsets as a result. If it weren't for these decisions, then the sales wouldn't have happened and Adobe wouldn't be trying to strongarm their way onto the platform. In short, decisions such as not supporting Flash are in fact part of the OS's appeal and this entire debate is bizarre. F…

While native apps are amazing and performs real well on iPhone and iPad,performance of web apps is a disaster on these devices. iPhone struggles to render even the basic javascript effects properly. Having said that i am not disappointed by this. I do not expect the iPhone to provide a full blown internet experience. Its a freaking phone! I still dont get why Adobe tries so hard to provide Flash on Iphone. On the oth…

Agreed to some extent. There's a lot of work to be done. Adobe as an additional middle man, however, won't fix anything.

Re: Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web"

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Post by tmcw » Thu, May 13, 2010, 4:30 PM UTC

They produce open specifications for Adobe Flash, so it's 'kinda like open source.' Just like Word XML, right?

Re: Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web"

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Post by macrael » Thu, May 13, 2010, 4:32 PM UTC

"No company — no matter how big or how creative — should dictate what you can create, how you create it, or what you can experience on the web."

That argument seems to apply to Adobe more easily than it applies to Apple.

Re: Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web"

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Post by romland » Thu, May 13, 2010, 4:40 PM UTC

evo_9 wrote: post #12

Dear Adobe - please stop pretending to be a tools developer because you really suck at it.

Sucky or not, I guess one could argue that Photoshop is a somewhat successful tool, I'd say they are not pretending.

Re: Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web"

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Post by watty » Thu, May 13, 2010, 4:51 PM UTC

tewks wrote: post #5

Apple's engineering decisions have produced a platform that works pretty well and is enjoyable to develop for. They've sold a lot of handsets as a result. If it weren't for these decisions, then the sales wouldn't have happened and Adobe wouldn't be trying to strongarm their way onto the platform. In short, decisions such as not supporting Flash are in fact part of the OS's appeal and this entire debate is bizarre. F…

"Furthermore, Adobe's entire argument that developers and consumers should shun Apple's lock-in for Adobe's lock-in is absolutely absurd!"

I don't have a problem with blocking the Flash plug-in. What I have a problem with is blocking native iPhone apps that were developed in Flash (even if they pass the review process).

But, I totally agree with the "write once, develop anywhere" danger. IMO, this is the real reason Apple is blocking all types of Flash content. Sounds great to a developer but it would completely change the uniqueness of the App store.

Re: Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web"

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Post by protomyth » Thu, May 13, 2010, 4:58 PM UTC

tmcw wrote: post #15

They produce open specifications for Adobe Flash, so it's 'kinda like open source.' Just like Word XML, right?

I would believe its open if a third-party flash player could be used with Hulu.

Re: Adobe attacks Apple - "You're undermining the next chapter of the web"

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Post by doki_pen » Thu, May 13, 2010, 5:08 PM UTC

jsz0 wrote: post #11

We believe that consumers should be able to freely access their favorite content and applications, regardless of what computer they have, what browser they like, or what device suits their needs That just doesn't jive with reality. Adobe is the sole gatekeeper of where Flash is available and how good the experience is. I don't see Flash Player 10 available for FreeBSD/PPC, NetBSD/anything, Solaris/SPARC, Linux/SPARC,…

You are absolutely right. How long did has the UNIX community had a substandard, or non-existent flash player? Flash 10 still crashes alsa on my Gentoo systems. It seems petty that they can't open source the player. The community will fix it for free! And then they have the nerve to criticize Apple, which is clearly looking out for it's own best interest(Which I don't support, I haven't bought any Apple products). This is blatant hypocrisy.