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Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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I wouldn't call "knowingly breaking the law and throwing VC money at the lawyers until the problem goes away" necessarily "figuring out government regulations".

It's the same thing for practical purposes if it achieves the same aim.

Except that your execs are one pissed off DA away from defending RICO charges.

Companies undervalue low-probability, high-risk events like that.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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I think self-driving cars would be a major challenge for Uber. As long as ridesharing companies need human drivers network effects ensure that Uber will remain at the top. But when driverless cars become feasible Uber's moat disappears. What's stopping an upstart company to buy/lease 10,000 self-driving cars and let them loose on the street? There's no reason for customers to prefer Uber over them. (This problem beco…

What investor would invest in a competitor if the market is as commoditized as you foresee? (I agree with you fwiw)

no need for an investor. only need a GM or Tesla or Apple etc to decide to.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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> Do they care less than they used to, though? That's impossible to measure, but the arguments you have employed regarding personnel changes do not demonstrate your point.

Okay...the top two publicly visible leaders in the space leaving in the same timeframe could mean something. Perhaps in this case it does not. I don't think either of us knows for sure. It does, however, pique my interest in what the group direction is now. What of the decision to not replace Matt with a specific role or person? Is that not interesting? And, again, I mentioned many other observations, not just Amit a…

> the top two publicly visible leaders in the space leaving in the same timeframe could mean something

Again, Amit may not have been aligned with the direction they're taking search. That doesn't mean Google doesn't care. In fact, it could mean just the opposite.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

You should sign up for Blind and read the Uber employees' comments.

Can you give the gist? You piqued my interest, but the app looks like the rabbit hole I'd rather not go down.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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> There's a number of things that have happened in the organic search area of Google that seem to suggest a declining interest in quality organic results. I think you may be falling for the SV cult of personality fallacy. There are still literally thousands of individuals you've never heard of working on organic search quality at Google who care very much about quality organic results. :)

No no no, the two person whose name he knew left after years in the same job, it must mean Google doesn't care anymore about their main product that makes roughly 90% of their revenue ! So yeah I totally agree, be it Google, Apple, Microsoft, ... A large amount of people around here are so used to small team startup represented by their founder that they always feel the need in similar stories to make a cult of perso…

Well, to be fair the stuff that generates 90% of their revenue IS what's pushing organic results further down the page.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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I'd like to see Uber get into mapping. Besides Uber's core business that everyone focuses on, they've got a self-driving cars program that's halfway off the ground and they do food deliver through UberEATS. In either case, they've got a vested interest in making sure high-quality mapping data is available—higher quality than what Google provides. Given their deals with tons of local businesses through UberEATS, they'…

"they've got a self-driving cars program that's halfway off the ground"

In the sense that a working model airplane gives me a space program that's halfway off the ground.

And why would they improve OSM at all? Actually collecting and cleaning mapping data is not cheap. There's no incentive in contributing to OSM, it doesn't build a moat, it doesn't further their access to markets,...

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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> As long as ridesharing companies need human drivers network effects ensure that Uber will remain at the top. I think it is the opposite... Uber's only real way to turn a profit while staying competitive is to get rid of the cost of drivers. > What's stopping an upstart company to buy/lease 10,000 self-driving cars and let them loose on the street? The fact that Uber is already working on this, has a platform, has t…

The articles I have read have made it sound like a Catch-22. They cannot profit while they have to pay drivers, but self-driving cars will enable competition from both software companies and automakers, especially if an automaker reduces the need for capital by renting out self-driving cars. It's unclear how Uber will not be further commoditized by self-driving cars.

By beating people to market with self driving cars. That's the reason Uber is pushing it.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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There's a number of things that have happened in the organic search area of Google that seem to suggest a declining interest in quality organic results. There's Matt Cutts' long leave of absence, his departure, and the announcement that he's not really being replaced. A much lower volume of communication from Google on initiatives in the space (they used to talk endlessly about Panda, Penguin, etc). Amit's original r…

> There's a number of things that have happened in the organic search area of Google that seem to suggest a declining interest in quality organic results. I think you may be falling for the SV cult of personality fallacy. There are still literally thousands of individuals you've never heard of working on organic search quality at Google who care very much about quality organic results. :)

You would think so, but then Apple has thousands of engineers yet can't be bothered to regularly update its products, lazily copies parts and construction and even discontinued a bunch of stuff.

(And while Google keeps adding heuristics I wish some of those many developers and researchers would simply occasionally try the product and ban, purge the very obvious content farm and spam sites)

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

You should sign up for Blind and read the Uber employees' comments.

Are you able to read comments from people at other companies? My understanding was that if be limited to just interacting with people at my own company.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#100

I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

Someone like Amit doesn't need money; by the time you get as highly placed at Google as he was you will be wealthy. I believe that Uber has interesting engineering challenges but likewise have doubts about their profitability.
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