Live data from Hacker News

Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

techcrunch.com

71–80 of 201 posts

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#71
post #67
post #2

There's a number of things that have happened in the organic search area of Google that seem to suggest a declining interest in quality organic results. There's Matt Cutts' long leave of absence, his departure, and the announcement that he's not really being replaced. A much lower volume of communication from Google on initiatives in the space (they used to talk endlessly about Panda, Penguin, etc). Amit's original r…

You are getting attacked for simply stating your opinion. Do we really want another echo chamber of opinions here? Google might be still all in on search, but what's important here is the outside perception. They won the search war and desperately tried to recreate the success with other products. So far they haven't had another hit (some big misses, though).

>You are getting attacked for simply stating your opinion

The replies mostly seem to be saying that I'm equating just the two departures with a declining interest at Google in organic result quality. Of course, I mentioned more than that, but it's an easy way to dismiss me versus educating me on how I've got it wrong.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#72

I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

I have same feeling, one my friend worked at a flywheel (uber but with taxi cabs)...he said that uber dominates this industry. They have figured out the biggest obstacle which is government regulations. This is the big challenge for any startup trying to copy uber.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Marissa Mayer and her reports got poached Looks like Google dodged a bullet there.

Dunno, I think Yahoo! was basically unfixable. I mean, what would you have done differently? They just had too much dead wood, including the brand name.

Yahoo! became a holding company for Alibaba and Yahoo! Japan. The search and online services are just window dressing.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#74
post #6

This statement -- “Those computer science challenges for a computer science geek are just intriguing – you give a geek a puzzle, they can’t drop it; they need to solve the puzzle. That’s how it felt to me.” When I've been asked what keeps me going this is it, I really like interesting puzzles and I'm sitting there stuck trying to solve it. It also says a bit about what Uber thinks their big problems are (or where the…

A good example of the engineer's puzzle-solving mindset is ice-nine in Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle. Hoenikker didn't particularly care about the Marines, mud, or the general's problem with it. He just thought it made for a good puzzle.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think self-driving cars would be a major challenge for Uber. As long as ridesharing companies need human drivers network effects ensure that Uber will remain at the top. But when driverless cars become feasible Uber's moat disappears. What's stopping an upstart company to buy/lease 10,000 self-driving cars and let them loose on the street? There's no reason for customers to prefer Uber over them. (This problem beco…

> As long as ridesharing companies need human drivers network effects ensure that Uber will remain at the top. I think it is the opposite... Uber's only real way to turn a profit while staying competitive is to get rid of the cost of drivers. > What's stopping an upstart company to buy/lease 10,000 self-driving cars and let them loose on the street? The fact that Uber is already working on this, has a platform, has t…

The articles I have read have made it sound like a Catch-22. They cannot profit while they have to pay drivers, but self-driving cars will enable competition from both software companies and automakers, especially if an automaker reduces the need for capital by renting out self-driving cars. It's unclear how Uber will not be further commoditized by self-driving cars.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must live in Riata? Edit: my comment no longer makes sense, parent was edited

No, but I know the area. What's special about it, though? There are lots of places around Austin that match what I described, and it should be the same in other cities.

[deleted]

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#77

I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

I have same feeling, one my friend worked at a flywheel (uber but with taxi cabs)...he said that uber dominates this industry. They have figured out the biggest obstacle which is government regulations. This is the big challenge for any startup trying to copy uber.

I wouldn't call "knowingly breaking the law and throwing VC money at the lawyers until the problem goes away" necessarily "figuring out government regulations".

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#78

have people considered this may eventually lead to Google acquiring Uber? There is the advising CEO Travis Kalanick bit in there.

Relatedly, I booked an Uber last night from within the Google Maps app on my phone, and the entire experience was in-app -- route selection, driver pick-up tracking, in-ride tracking, and drop-off confirmation. That's a whole lot tighter integration than I've seen in the past. The rumor-monger in me wants to read all sorts of acquisition talks into that level of product integration.

(Which is great for another reason -- I don't give Uber access to my location when I'm not using the app, and the Uber team has apparently decided to basically brick their own app for users like me. But hooray, Google Maps is now a functional replacement for the Uber client!)

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#79
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's some baseless speculation in this thread about what's Singhal's departure meant for Google search. It's important to remember that Singhal was committed Google's knowledge graph, a painstaking, manually constructed graph of entities and relationships that surfaces the occasional answer (ask Google what the capital of Azerbaijan is and you will see a knowledge graph answer). Knowledge graphs are brittle, hard…

>Google doesn't care about organic results any more. That's BS, frankly. Do they care less than they used to, though? Their placement on the screen as opposed to KG, widgets, and ads..and how that's progressed over time, seems to imply it.

> Do they care less than they used to, though?

That's impossible to measure, but the arguments you have employed regarding personnel changes do not demonstrate your point.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

#80
post #2

There's a number of things that have happened in the organic search area of Google that seem to suggest a declining interest in quality organic results. There's Matt Cutts' long leave of absence, his departure, and the announcement that he's not really being replaced. A much lower volume of communication from Google on initiatives in the space (they used to talk endlessly about Panda, Penguin, etc). Amit's original r…

I'd add another item c) "Search" is changing towards giving information rather than to websites. Think Siri/Cortana/Alexa. Even Google tries to give you an answer rather than a website. Also information is moving from "spread thin" websites to social graphs and more centralised locations

That was Amit's doing, actually. Around 2012, with the success of Knowledge Panels and the acquisition of Metaweb (FreeBase), he decreed that search would become a "conversational answer engine", devoted toward getting you the answer to your question as quickly as possible. The Hummingbird ranking update was part of that - it made it much more effective to phrase your query as a question rather than a bunch of keywords. Also renewed integration of Google Now into search, expanded Knowledge Panels, cards on mobile search, bigger investments in voice search, etc.
Post reply on HN