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Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

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Re: Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

#81
The only thing a web site should need to “measure” is how long its visitors stay. I know that the instant I see any pop-up garbage, I immediately leave: I don’t care what the pop-up might say, I don’t care where they might’ve placed a little "X" to dismiss their message, I simply go BACK and I DON’T return.

Do not allow yourself to be bullied. Yes, services have some nonzero value but your time also has tremendous value and you should not undersell it by putting up with stupid crap. Any site that shoves things in your face is being disrespectful, it is wasting your time, and it is costing you, which is not OK. Let those sites die out.

Re: Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

#82
Most users hate these pop-ups and cheer this move from Google. But let me add a little context to why these ads are so prevalent and why some companies view this move as Google abusing their power.

If you visit to any "guide" website like TripAdviser, Yelp, etc, these days on a mobile browser, you'll notice that the sites often barely let you do anything without downloading the native app. They all but refuse to let you see content and throw up "Download our app!" pop-ups everywhere.

By traditional logic, that seems insane. Why are they putting so many roadblocks between the user and the content? Surely that must be driving away users, right?

The reason for this behavior is that Google is systematically destroying the SEO traffic of these sites by adding their own competitive features to search result pages that appear above organic results.

If you search for a restaurant / hotel / flight on your phone, Google will often show its own custom widgets above the organic search results. It's not unusual that zero organic search results are visible "above the fold". The more Google does this, the more the share of clicks goes to them instead of to organic search results in these types of searches.

That means that even if these guide companies have #1 search rankings for every possible search term, they are seeing their SEO traffic plummet every month because they can't compete with Google's "above #1 result" placement. So as a defensive move, some companies are basically giving up on SEO traffic in the long term and trying to forcefully convert many visitors as possible into users who visit directly via a native app (and thus bypass Google). They know that every web user who doesn't download the native app is ever less likely to ever find them again via a search result page.

So to these companies, they see this change from Google as another anti-competitive move because Google is taking away one of their last remaining lifelines for user acquisition.

Personally, I find those full-page ads super annoying and hate them too and think they should go away. But like anything complicated, this isn't a simple black and white move to benefit users. It's also a strategic move that helps Google and hurts some competitors.

Re: Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you using an adblocker?

Yea, I'm using a content blocker: Firefox Focus Too bad AMP won't work with it, but there's no way I'm disabling it as life before content blockers on iOS was hell. (Sites hijacking you to the app store, etc.)

I am using FireFox Focus as well and AMP works for me.

Re: Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you using an adblocker?

Do ad blockers break AMP pages? If so that is a pretty crafty way of killing them. "Would you like to search and browse the mobile web through Google? Only if you disable your ad blocker." I'd be shocked if they don't try to force AMP on the desktop as well next if this works out for them.

Not sure, but if something on the "web" is broken, my first go to is always the adblocker.

Re: Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

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What's really stupid are sites from which you can buy things, but then pop up an ad for something else. Fandango, which sells movie tickets, does this. As you're trying to get to the "buy ticket" page, they shove movie trailers for other movies in your face. I mentioned a site earlier today which sold plumbing supplies.[1] They pop up a "gimme your email" box which 1) cannot be dismissed , and 2) isn't even theirs, i…

> This is usually considered a big mistake in retail. Is it? Grocery stores keep essentials far away from each other so you have to walk past stuff you don't want in order to get to what you want. Imagine a store where they had milk at the checkout counter! That's the retail equivalent of amazon.com ;)

Milk is kept at the back of the store because that's the easiest please to put it from a logistics stand point. The truck the milk comes in pulls up to the back of the store and can immediately unload it into the giant refrigerated rooms at the back of the store. The fact that it helps "build the basket" by being at the back is a happy coincidence for the store.

Re: Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

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Oh good, Google abusing their power again. I guess as long as it's for "good" reasons. edit: would any downvoters care to explain how google being able to arbitrarily dictate web content is a power they should have?

Google's users don't like popup ads so this will likely make them happier with their search results and make them more loyal Google users. So why is Google beholden to deliver traffic to websites that use obtrusive popup ads when Google's users don't like it? Is Google somehow morally obligated to ensure a website's revenue model isn't disturbed when trying to provide a better experience for their users?

>Is Google somehow morally obligated to ensure a website's revenue model...

This particular change doesn't irk me, but the one where they penalized for too many "above the fold" ads did bother me..because Google is the king of above-the-fold ads in search results. Similar for penalties for "duplicate content", which is exactly what their kg/widget program is doing...scraping other people's content.

So, as long they as practice as they preach, it seems reasonable.

Re: Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

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post #47

What's really stupid are sites from which you can buy things, but then pop up an ad for something else. Fandango, which sells movie tickets, does this. As you're trying to get to the "buy ticket" page, they shove movie trailers for other movies in your face. I mentioned a site earlier today which sold plumbing supplies.[1] They pop up a "gimme your email" box which 1) cannot be dismissed , and 2) isn't even theirs, i…

It's a good thing that ublock origin can be installed on firefox mobile (android). Firefox on Android isn't nearly as fast in UI performance as chrome, but the ability to use standard firefox plugins makes up for it.
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