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Ask HN: What is the next bubble in your opinion?

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Re: Ask HN: What is the next bubble in your opinion?

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty easy to repo a car all around the country if you don't pay your bill. Add in the fact that most new cars sell with GPS transmitters built in and many car loans are provided by the car company themselves and you've got yourself a quick way to recover losses. It's harder for a bank to evict a tenant of a mortgage, harder for a bank to get money from a graduate who is buried in debt, harder for a credit card…

What use is a recovery if liquidating it will get only a fraction of the loan's value back?

If your credit score is bad, you are probably getting quoted a 15-25% interest rate (my first quoted interest rate was 25% at carmax when I first started working). They can recover depreciation pretty quickly in that case.

Re: Ask HN: What is the next bubble in your opinion?

#42

The student loan bubble will burst putting colleges out of business or cutting back hard- and as before the public will bear the brunt. from 3 years ago and it is still growing with no slow down http://ijr.com/2014/06/149516-mark-cuban-predicts-burst-stud...

how will the bubble pop if you can't escape your student loans through bankruptcy?

Re: Ask HN: What is the next bubble in your opinion?

#43

The student loan bubble will burst putting colleges out of business or cutting back hard- and as before the public will bear the brunt. from 3 years ago and it is still growing with no slow down http://ijr.com/2014/06/149516-mark-cuban-predicts-burst-stud...

Could you explain this a little. I don't understand.

Usually a bubble is an asset where most of it's value is tied to future expected appreciation. And when price growth starts to fall this decreases future price, and then it crashes down to its fundamental value(or a little below).

I'm not quite sure how this can happen with student loans. Is the discounted future cash flow of student loans widely different from their price?

Re: Ask HN: What is the next bubble in your opinion?

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The question isn't: "What is the next bubble?" The question is: "Which of the existing bubbles will collapse first and cause the rest of them to implode?" Furthermore, the even bigger question is: "Is there creeping contagion forming behind the scenes in derivatives and shadow banking similar to 2007, out of sight of governments and regulators yet again?"

The central banks of the world have gone on a ridiculous 8 year binge to prop up global growth, this binge will have consequences. Probably for Donald Trump, who may buy another two years of bubble activity with his planned economic actions.

Most people are used to the 1999 bubble and the 2007 bubble. Those are just the ones that got really out of control Over the last decade, numerous smaller bubbles have come and gone, mostly deflated by government (foreign or otherwise) intervention and we are generally none the wiser. China has had bubbles in their real estate and stock market come and go (or be suppressed, for now) several times in the last couple years.

If you have seen what China is willing to do to their skies in terms of pollution, imagine what they are willing to do behind closed doors in their financial and real estate sectors. One can only imagine the toxic, over-leveraged stew that is likely lurking behind the scenes. People have been expecting China to implode for years, it hasn't happened.

In the United States there are multiple bubbles now. Students loans are clearly in a bubble. It was announced this week that the government admitted to falsifying data (they call it a "technical glitch," It is not a glitch, it was likely deliberate) around what % of sub-prime students were not repaying their debts.

The private tech stock bubble of worthless, unprofitable Silicon Valley unicorns who can never go public is alarming but seems contained for now and not of a large enough size to tank the stock market.

Sub-Prime Automotive is also a bubble, but so far the numbers are far lower than anything near what was experienced in 2007.

Real estate in the United States in some segments, notably high-end real estate in Miami and Manhattan were both in bubbles as well and seem to have deflated. There was also a significant housing bubble in Vancouver which seems to be deflating due to government action.

So there are numerous bubbles that we know about. But this isn't the real problem. The real problem is that credit, derivatives and shadow banking going on behind the scenes. While many regulations have been passed to ensure that the United States banking sector is more "solid," the financiers of the world always find a way to introduce more leverage.

My conclusion after digging into the various bubbles and their sizes is as follows:

Sub-Prime Automotive is a bubble but the size of it isn't so bad. The biggest problem is repercussions of such a bubble collapsing and becoming contagious.

Real Estate seems ok, nowhere near what happened in 2007 in terms of scale and corruption.

Student loans are a rather large bubble. Still nowhere near the size of the sub-prime mortgage nightmare.

Tech bubble, shouldn't be a big problem if it implodes by itself in the United States

China: I can't even speculate. Everyone has been screaming wolf about China for years and nothing has collapsed yet. China is rated #1 by the Economist as a risk of collapse which would take down the global economy.

I am going with: China or EuroZone banking melt-down that spreads and pops all the United States bubbles.

Re: Ask HN: What is the next bubble in your opinion?

#46

There won't be any big bubbles anytime soon. Only small bubbles. If silicon valley falls apart tomorrow for example, it would be considered a small bubble since it would be very contained (only VC money). In 2000 the entire world was injecting money in Silicon Valley. It was a complete different setup... So talking about the next big bubble in 2017 does not make sense.

Do you know where some VC's money comes from? Wall street invests in VCs using pension funds, 401k money. So if SV falls apart, the effect will be more than outside SV. Follow the money.

You need to understand the difference between "VC" money and the economy. The first one is about extra cash that can be invested, the economy is about people's money. If a bank loses it's money invested in tech, it won't go bankrupt because the bank doesn't invest its capital into one single thing. It's more complex than you think.

Re: Ask HN: What is the next bubble in your opinion?

#47
College bubble will pop. Prices have been sustained longer than normal due to special laws for school debt. But even with the extra protection of wage garnishments and no bankruptcy option, it cannot keep going up. People are starting to get their money underground in a homeless lifestyle or leave the country. It's going to burst and hard.
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