Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

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Post by Torgo » Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 7:54 PM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #124

abtinf wrote: post #50

It is clear that almost no one commenting here has actually read past the first few paragraphs of the article (if that). It is very well written and explain that this is an extremely complex issue. Property rights are the foundation of civil society. Due to variety of factors, Hawaii has destroyed property rights on some parcels due to degenerate laws and legal customs. Just consider one point raised by the article:…

I am surprised by the number of people who claim this is rich bashing. Indigenous people around the world have lived for centuries with widely different concepts of property ownership. In many cultures, once you reach a working age you build your house where land is available and do your bit (say farming, or crafts) towards a functioning society. There is no land ownership record, but rather it's based on trust. Once…

I want to know why there are considered to be "indigenous peoples" of Hawaii at all, it was a normal, internationally-recognized country ruled by a Hawaiian with subjects as its inhabitants for almost a hundred years before the US annexed it. It had formal land ownership laws before it became part of the USA.

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

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Post by nojvek » Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 8:06 PM UTC

Coming from Australia and learning about the indigenous history there, it was quite a shock to learn how the land was stolen, men killed, women raped and the children brainwashed. An entire generation lost.

I am in maui currently. It's a beautiful place. While the world is a much better place I'm kind of against a billionaire owning so much of land here and filing lawsuits left and right against the natives.

It's their land. Does one guy really need 700 acres to feel secluded? People have lived there for generations.

The great thing about hawaii is a lot of places are publicly accessible. I would hate some billionaire asshole to ruin it for everyone else.

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

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Post by jkchu » Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 9:15 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #146

rusanu wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being Hawaii though, I don't think he will get a private beach, though :) http://seagrant.soest.hawaii.edu/coastal-access-hawaii http://dlnr.hawaii.gov/occl/beach-access/

For someone who is so virulently anti-privacy, he's certainly strangely a very private person isn't he? There is something I find very odd and unsettling about Zuckerberg. One day I think we will yet rue making him such a success.

I think a lot of his stances and statements on privacy are with respect to internet privacy as it pertains to Facebook's users and the success of his company. His stance, in my opinion, focuses more on users having control over what they post and what they choose to share, but in general that sharing information online is a good thing. Unsurprisingly, his views seem to coincide with some encouragement of users to share information via social media.

With that in mind, I feel that the issue of privacy with respect to one's home/private property is very different. With this, Zuckerberg is likely thinking about the physical safety of himself and his family.

I'd be curious to hear more about what you find unsettling about him.

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

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Post by rb2k_ » Fri, Jan 20, 2017, 1:23 AM UTC

Zuck's answer: https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10103427714244971

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

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Post by chris_wot » Fri, Jan 20, 2017, 3:14 AM UTC

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #148

chris_wot wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For someone who is so virulently anti-privacy, he's certainly strangely a very private person isn't he? There is something I find very odd and unsettling about Zuckerberg. One day I think we will yet rue making him such a success.

He claims he is pro-privacy, and that if people get into problems by sharing too much on social sites, it's their fault. He himself is not sharing too much.

Explain shadow profiles then.