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This is a good point, but it doesn't change the prognosis. Uber will run out of runway long before that vision can be realized. And even if by some miracle it doesn't, it will find itself in a low-margin commodity business. Unless it can muscle its way into a monopoly, it can't win. Which explains the company's aggressiveness and anti-competitive nature.
Amazon is in a low margin commodity business with massive amounts of competition, but they're still massive and becoming even bigger because they do what everyone else can do just that little bit better that there's no real reason to switch away.
Why I don't believe in Uber's Success
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Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success
#102Old taxi cab companies can't compete because they have to drive much farther on average for each pickup
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#103Like I said 8 years ago[2]: "Facebook made ~$200mm in 2008. It's pretty clear they could profit on those revenues, and instead are choosing to invest in further growth (with outside capital)."
[1] https://skift.com/2016/12/21/uber-isnt-profitable-in-the-u-s... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=427212
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#104I was in Southeast Asia recently and it's insane how cheap Uber is. It almost doesn't make sense to take any other form of transportation. I imagine once the competition dies, they'll have complete control over the market.
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> 250% surge pricing or $90. Lemme check Lyft. Sweet, Lyft is about $50. Our Lyft will be here in 3 minutes." There was zero friction switching from Uber to Lyft. That's not zero friction. Zero friction would be if you routed the directions under "Public Transit" in Google Maps and scrolled to the bottom where you can see both Lyft and Uber pricing (and clickable links) next to each other.
Technically you are correct, but you are just nitpicking. We understood exactly what he meant.
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TFA and a lot of commenters here don't seem to understand that Uber doesn't want to compete with taxi services, which are a niche business to be disrupted en route to the real prize. It wants to compete with your car - imagine 12 lanes of L.A. traffic composed mostly of Ubers. That's their dream. They even admit this in public. [0] The day they can get cost per mile one penny below what you'd spend owning a Toyota Ca…
This is a good point, but it doesn't change the prognosis. Uber will run out of runway long before that vision can be realized. And even if by some miracle it doesn't, it will find itself in a low-margin commodity business. Unless it can muscle its way into a monopoly, it can't win. Which explains the company's aggressiveness and anti-competitive nature.
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#107> Uber’s growth is fueled by subsidies A lot of people think if their Uber/Lyft ride is cheaper than their traditional taxi because it's subsidized. The lower fare for the most part is due to extreme efficiency difference between a taxi company and Uber/Lyft. 1. Uber/Lyft don't own the cars. They are leveraging car owners capital 2. Uber/Lyft drivers are more efficient because they don't have to roam around the city…
"Subsidies for Uber's drivers are responsible for the majority of the company's losses globally, [head of finance] Gupta told investors" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-25/uber-lose...
Many of their losses were due to the turf war in china, which is now over. They have a 20% stake in Didi now, which will almost certainly recover their losses.
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#108The potential for autonomous point-to-point freight shipping should pay off sooner than it's consumer business, allowing it to reduce it's investment requirements. Debatable on the timelines though. You assume though that the network they've built up isn't valuable when you talk about self-driving vehicles. I agree the car tech will be commoditised and to my mind Uber owning their own fleet isn't the best option. It'…
What prevents other logistics providers from driving the price down to commodity levels?
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a good point, but it doesn't change the prognosis. Uber will run out of runway long before that vision can be realized. And even if by some miracle it doesn't, it will find itself in a low-margin commodity business. Unless it can muscle its way into a monopoly, it can't win. Which explains the company's aggressiveness and anti-competitive nature.
Amazon is in a low margin commodity business with massive amounts of competition, but they're still massive and becoming even bigger because they do what everyone else can do just that little bit better that there's no real reason to switch away.
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#110Uber is not a bet on who can build the most profitable taxi company now -- it's a bet on a brand in an industry that will rapidly commoditize. Given that literally everything else Uber does has been replicated by at least one team at every hackathon I've been to in the last decade, there is very little sustained advantage from technology.
The auto industry is at a crossroads: you have new upstarts like Tesla that are very obviously planning to convert to a transit-as-a-service model. The "old" auto industry (basically everyone that makes cars and is not Tesla) is still struggling to adapt to a more "continuous development" model like Tesla. Tesla's engineering process is far simpler -- an electric car replaces the complex internal combustion drivetrain (an engine block that requires separate air, water, oil and gasoline systems, plus the transmission) with a far simpler electric engine.
The electric system in a Tesla is actually far simpler than your average car: the sensor package in a modern internal combustion engine is an incredibly complex piece of engineering. This gives them a huge cost advantage over existing automakers -- if Tesla is providing transit as a service directly to customers AND making/maintaining the vehicles themselves, that displaces a lot of revenue (auto sales/maintenance to companies like Uber).
I think Uber will eventually merge with an auto manufacturer (and likely keep the Uber branding since it's likely to be the most valuable part of the company). They already have realized that Tesla is their biggest competition; and I think that the autonomous driving deal with Ford is simply testing the waters for a future acquisition.
15 years from now, most people will likely have 3 or 4 choices of how to get somewhere by car: Uber, Tesla, Lyft and likely a mix of local / regional companies. Brand value is powerful; and I guarantee you that at the end of this, the Uber brand will be worth more than what they've put into it.