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Why I don't believe in Uber's Success

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Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success

#31

Amzn and tsla started reporting profits just recently. Would you call them failure?

Amazon and Tesla both required large capital expenditures to get running and get more efficient. It's not like Amazon was actually losing money each sale like Uber is.

Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success

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post #18

> Uber’s growth is fueled by subsidies A lot of people think if their Uber/Lyft ride is cheaper than their traditional taxi because it's subsidized. The lower fare for the most part is due to extreme efficiency difference between a taxi company and Uber/Lyft. 1. Uber/Lyft don't own the cars. They are leveraging car owners capital 2. Uber/Lyft drivers are more efficient because they don't have to roam around the city…

> 1. Uber/Lyft don't own the cars. They are leveraging car owners capital

In Singapore they tried out the model to own cars because car ownership is pretty low here in general ~10%. They bought cars at a massive scale. This model seems to be working for them and they have expanded this model to other countries. Check out Lion Car Rentals. 100% Uber owned.

Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success

#33

If I could bet against Uber, I would do it

You can. Buy a taxi medallion. In buenos aires they are worth about 25ku$S, and uber has been made illegal but is still operational.

It's possible to believe that Uber's future valuation will be lower then it currently is, and also believe that the traditional taxi companies will not be the big winners. Or to believe that they will be the big winners, but not because medallions will become valuable.

Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success

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Possibility: seeing all this, Uber looks hard at what they do have and simply becomes contract cab dispatcher for all cabs everywhere, smartly choosing which cab to call to the scene of the caller using their algorithms. And lets existing can companies so the actual driving. Why? Currently some cab companies have shitty apps, others have none. Your chances of getting a cab in a suburb of an unfamiliar city is zero. U…

The question then becomes: Is a global taxi dispatcher worth 70 billion dollars? Maybe. Probably not.

My hunch is yes. I decided to do some quick math.

-NYC has ~13,605 licensed taxicabs.

-The average annual net income for a NYC taxi (in 2015, probably a bit lower now) was $58,555.

-$58,555 * 13,605 = $796,640,775

This figure is for taxis only, in one (big) city. It leads me to think that $70 billion is not an absurd number, globally.

edit: sources: https://www.yellowcabnyctaxi.com/blog/new-york-city-taxi-rev...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs_of_New_York_City

Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success

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post #27

In my opinion, giving large scale subsidies to customers seems like a business anti-pattern, and is surely gonna kill a lot of startups in near future. I have been sold to the Idea that Investors are killing any Internet "Business" by advising Founders against simple & straight-forward business plans. They constantly ask founders not to monetize earlier and wait until founders have no choice but to trash out the comp…

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At least he is consistent.

Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success

#37

Depends on how you define success. Imo, Uber will become financially successful when autonomous cars and trucks work well and are regulated.

The problem is that Uber can easily be destroyed when that happens. For example, imagine that all the German automakers decide that their fleet of autonomous cars works only for an app that they developed(maximize profits). The same can happen from the Japanese automakers, etc. Another problem is that they will need A LOT of money to buy and maintain all those autonomous cars, something that they don't do now. Personally I think Uber can die under hundreds of scenarios and survive under one or two in the long run.

Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success

#38

If I could bet against Uber, I would do it

How would one short a pre-IPO company. Betting sites?

The difficulty of shorting something like Uber is getting the timing right. Not only do you have to bet that Uber is over-valued, you also have to bet about the timing of when Uber runs out of starry-eyed investors to fuel the valuations. That is dependent on when it runs out of money, how quickly Uber decides to burn, and when the financials become clear enough to enough people that the public decides that the emperor has no clothes. (If it's actually the case that the emperor has no clothes.)

Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success

#39

I don't understand his point. Maybe I'm dense (today, ha). If Uber has a (simplified) split cost per drive consisting of vehicle (+maintenance) and/or fuel & driver. If subsidised part is generally covering the driver part. When you replace driver with autonomous vehicle and you remove subsidies, you're left with a sustainable (presumably) model on a certain margin that is already rolling. Rolling in a sense that it…

The author's not making the point that there is no margin, but rather that with self-driving cars it'll be a quick race to the bottom against competitors, thus eroding whatever margins Uber is left with after replacing human drivers.

Question is, who are competitors with same scope as them? I don't know any. They are already in position to just switch over. Others would have to build their network first. It's a running start that depends on them playing their cards right.

Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success

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In my opinion, giving large scale subsidies to customers seems like a business anti-pattern, and is surely gonna kill a lot of startups in near future. I have been sold to the Idea that Investors are killing any Internet "Business" by advising Founders against simple & straight-forward business plans. They constantly ask founders not to monetize earlier and wait until founders have no choice but to trash out the comp…

Amen! VC's favor this approach because this is the only strategy that requires their scale of money. If you just go out and make a useful product and sell it to people you may do very well... but there isn't room for the kind of huge returns VC's need. Through massive subsidies the VC's are trying to buy monopolies in entire markets... and it may be that transportation is such a large market that no amount of private capital can deter competition indefinitely.
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