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Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

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Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

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You could argue some of the land parcels in question are owned by growing numbers of family members with each new generation, and that therefore it's likely some (even most) owners wouldn't utilize the land. However, it's also interesting to digest this situation alongside Oxfam's report [1] on 62 people accumulating more wealth than half the world's population combined. Zuckerberg owns 700 acres of Kauai[2]. Why isn…

Oxfam's report [1] on 62 people accumulating more wealth than half the world's population combined

Measuring wealth is a pretty poor way to measure inequality.

If you're a recently graduated brain surgeon with $400K in student debt, you have less wealth than a homeless person with a $100 bill in their pocket.

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

#52
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't match his public persona, no. Regardless, if it is a hit job, Zuckerberg has more than enough resources and respect to defend himself.

> Zuckerberg has more than enough resources and respect to defend himself. Are you implying that he's going to hire PR people to police reddit and hacker news comments? I think that would just make the PR situation worse. It's actually very hard for a rich guy to defend against these kind of attacks because people want to believe you're a bad guy.

More like be able to share a Facebook post and turn eyes to it, or if necessary, publish an op-ed or something. He at least has the connections and popularity to do that.

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

#53

If Zuck truly is planning to run for office as some speculation has supposed, this does not look good for that. This reeks terribly, I was unaware this was even legal, but this is almost literally depriving someone of their property because you have the money.

What about:

Lying to his co-founder and diluting his participation.

Stealing an idea and betraying his original partners.

Lying about being religious (probably).

Doesn't care about your privacy.

Makes profiles about you, even when you don't use his service.

Complies with oppressive governments in an attempt to gain access with fb.

etc...

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

#54
post #41

Seems like Ellison, Trump and Zuckerberg are not so dissimilar after all.

You're forgetting Vinod Khosla who is trying to circumvent the California constitution, because he doesn't like public property rights.

http://fortune.com/2016/04/29/vinod-khosla-beach-trial/

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

#56
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why isn't that enough? According to the article, the owners of the parcels have the right to traverse the land he already bought. From the sound of the article, this is making a mountain out of a molehill. He wants his privacy and, thanks to bizarre land ownership practices in Hawaii, these parcels are fractionally owned by hundreds of individuals making it impossible to make a traditional offer. This legal process…

It's only Bizarre to you, it's not Bizarre to the people who own the property I'm sure. What's Bizarre is being forced to sell land that you've owned for generations.

Some of these pieces of land have hundreds of owners. In this case one of the owners has an interest of less than a one-hundredth of a percent. Most of the owners do not even know what they own. The legal fees to establish who has a fractional interest in the property would outweigh the value of the property normally for each individual owner, but with Zuckerberg footing to bill to find out the family tree all of the owners will benefit.

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

#57
A lot of these people aren't even living, and some of the cases even have the support of descendents/relatives. It seems most of the owners don't even know they own the land, and this is less "suing to force sale" and more "this is how land sales are done in Hawaii due to legacy property ownership."

Having read the entire article, it doesn't seem a single Hawaiian involved has a problem with their land being "taken away". Maybe they just didn't quote those people, however it seems like this is all pretty legitimate.

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

#58

Surely his lawyers informed him of the situation when he bought it. In Hawaii (or the US in general) can people own beaches below the high tide mark? Surely it's impossible to have 100% seclusion anyway as people can land by boat when the tide is low and enjoy at their leisure?

Real property rights vary by state. Here in WA, you can own some beach and, based on my very limited knowledge, there is some process to acquire tideland rights in order to, say, build a dock.

Re: Facebook’s Zuckerberg sues to force land sales

#60
post #47

Is there a historical precedent for those above the peasants, but still below the king, to constantly rationalize and serve as king apologists? I notice an interesting trend with a large chunk of the discussion being centered towards why [rich person's] [behavior] is not [as bad] as you think. Maybe it's because the king enables those above the peasants to retain that position? It's really interesting, actually. Kind…

I have some quotes that might provide insight:

> Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

- purportedly by John Steinbeck

> It is a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: “If you’re so smart, why ain’t you rich?

> Americans, like human beings everywhere, believe many things that are obviously untrue. Their most destructive untruth is that it is very easy for any American to make money. They will not acknowledge how in fact hard money is to come by, and, therefore, those who have no money blame and blame and blame themselves. This inward blame has been a treasure for the rich and powerful, who have had to do less for their poor, publicly and privately, than any other ruling class since, say, Napoleonic times.

- Kurt Vonnegut

> If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

- Lyndon B. Johnson

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