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Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Standing desks not really good for you. Just a fad. (F Google amp too) https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl...

An article that concludes "the benefits of standing desks may be overstated" isn't really the same thing as "standing desks [are] not really good for you." Personally I can say that I've enjoyed the transition. My posture has improved greatly. I have a lot less back/shoulder tension and pain. I find myself naturally more inclined to take breaks and walk around, which has many benefits of itself. It took some getting…

If you are going to ask someone to find evidence, I would hope you ask them to find evidence that can even exist.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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So, telomere length as a measure of aging is something that keeps popping up from my lay-person perspective. It seems important to know about, and I have little awareness of my lack of awareness, so, those of you who live and breathe telomere research.. could shed some light on my ignorance?

- what "big-picture" information governs the "big-picture" processes?

- critical details swept under the rug with my un-nuanced understanding of the hypothesis, (e.g. "telomeres do not shorten uniformly/monotonically/predictably")?

- how does empirical research concerning telomeres compare to the state (or even future) of our understanding/control of aging?

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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I was inclined to disagree, but seeing the populations involved are elderly, I think you're likely correct. It would be interesting to see what the data shows in younger populations, when almost everyone is able to exercise.

The data always turn out the same way. Healthier people exercise more. Sicker people exercise less. One person sees sick people sitting and concludes that they are sitting because they're sick. Another person concludes that they're sick because they're sitting. We need better-quality studies to really determine if sitting makes people sick.

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Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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My view might be classified as 'odd', but this is how I look at this problem, and this is what I ended up doing: I do not mind living a decade shorter than those ones who are more active than me. I have tried to be active, but could not fit it into my mentality. Note that I did not say my lifestyle, I said my mentality. I am unable to be active. I was not an active person a a kid, and I am not one as an adult. If I a…

Have you considered trying out activities that you might enjoy for themselves, rather than mainly for "exercise" or because you "should", and try to optimize for enjoyment (not for exercise). Especially, gentle exercise can be a lot more pleasant. e.g. many thinkers enjoy thinking on slow walks, especially through a park, countryside or bush/woods.

This is great advice. Try lots of activities until you find one you want to do, long term.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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The data always turn out the same way. Healthier people exercise more. Sicker people exercise less. One person sees sick people sitting and concludes that they are sitting because they're sick. Another person concludes that they're sick because they're sitting. We need better-quality studies to really determine if sitting makes people sick.

"We need better-quality studies to really determine if sitting makes people sick" This. A thousand times this. I ask because as a programmer I spend roughly 10-12 hours sitting at work and roughly 3 hours at home, with maybe an hour of walking each day, and I would like to know if I am prone to aging and being sick more due to my sitting habit or its just wrong interpretation of data and there is no significant corre…

I think if you are walking a solid hour a day every day you are getting your exercise just fine. Even half an hour a day of walking is good.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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My view might be classified as 'odd', but this is how I look at this problem, and this is what I ended up doing: I do not mind living a decade shorter than those ones who are more active than me. I have tried to be active, but could not fit it into my mentality. Note that I did not say my lifestyle, I said my mentality. I am unable to be active. I was not an active person a a kid, and I am not one as an adult. If I a…

> I continue programming 14 hours a day in the sitting style.

But aerobic exercise might make you a better programmer:

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-exercise-boosts-intell...

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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I hate to be too cynical but I recall people saying similar things about the Wii when it first came out. While Wii can give you a work out, I don't think it ever really caught on.

It didn't take too long for people to work out that smaller, finer motions were what worked best for the Wii. One to one tracking in VR means that there's no faking motion and while I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a workout I do have to actually be moving, ducking, and dodging around the room in plenty of VR games.

My experience with trying to really play wii sports was that doing so made the game much harder than smaller waggle-motions (which may as well have been button presses) and quickly led to RSI (mostly elbow). And that's with kind of knowing how to play the various sports IRL, and knowing the right ways to move—I'd guess it's even worse otherwise.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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post #64

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I was inclined to disagree, but seeing the populations involved are elderly, I think you're likely correct. It would be interesting to see what the data shows in younger populations, when almost everyone is able to exercise.

The data always turn out the same way. Healthier people exercise more. Sicker people exercise less. One person sees sick people sitting and concludes that they are sitting because they're sick. Another person concludes that they're sick because they're sitting. We need better-quality studies to really determine if sitting makes people sick.

I am an obese (BMI of 39) 40-year old man who do not do any exercise. I probably take the least number of sick days in my team and are able to be as productive as others.

Unfortunately there are many who assume otherwise.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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These reports have an empiricist slant to them and there's usually no attempt to explain the result. No doubt there's truth to be found here, but note that mere act of sitting cannot be bad for health, otherwise seated meditation would be bad for health too (which it isn't).

I conjecture it is the combination of sitting and hard focus on work or video games which is relevant. The brain withdraws attention from the body (which, being supported, isn't required much beyond breathing and digestion). The result seems to be bad things like inflammation, poor lymph circulation, etc, though I think this isn't understood. I remember it was said that, a few decades back in the UK, bus drivers (seated) had more heart attacks than bus conductors (standing).

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