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Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Post by zeamaize »

david___sh wrote: post #37

My view might be classified as 'odd', but this is how I look at this problem, and this is what I ended up doing: I do not mind living a decade shorter than those ones who are more active than me. I have tried to be active, but could not fit it into my mentality. Note that I did not say my lifestyle, I said my mentality. I am unable to be active. I was not an active person a a kid, and I am not one as an adult. If I a…

Except it's not about a decade. Good friend of mine died at 30 from obesity induced cardiomyopathy. Then we talk about quality of life. I run, lift, and generally workout because I want to maintain quality of life as much as length.

My Aunt is 95 and still runs 5k every day. Guess who isn't an invalid in her autumn years?

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Post by zeamaize »

richard___ wrote: post #12
rubicon33 wrote: post #11

"We found that women who sat longer did not have shorter telomere length if they exercised for at least 30 minutes a day" In other words, you can't exercise away an unhealthy life style. That's very similar to diet. In fact, the big 3 (diet, exercise, and sleep) taken together are far greater than the sum of their parts. As a developer with a full time job, and side projects, I can easily find myself sitting in a cha…

Are you sure a standing desk helps at all? Is standing enough to negate the negative effects or is movement required

It's the other way: standing is necessary but not sufficient. Exercise doesn't cancel out sitting and blood pooling in your legs.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Post by cesarbs »

zeamaize wrote: post #36
CardenB wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think (and maybe it's quite obvious) the trick is that exercise makes you feel temporarily worse. It's difficult to evaluate how you'll feel deep into a routine before starting to build those habits.

Exercise feels great. It wears you down but it makes you feel alive! Exercise is the time during the day I am most at peace and relaxed. No work bullshit, just me and my goals.

After insisting on it for quite some time I am at a point where I love working out and hate missing a day in my routine. But I definitely DON'T feel great after exercising. I get this horrible feeling like I'm close to passing out, my whole body shakes and I just want to curl up in a corner and wait until that feeling is gone. I look forward to exercising and making progress but definitely not to how I feel right after it.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Post by branchless »

geoka9 wrote: post #30
branchless wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a question of how much you "go at it". Unhealthy people who begin exercise take themselves to a point most people rarely do when training. How many regular runners go until they feel like being sick? It's no wonder unfit people don't maintain their routine. Frequent runners might do one session in a few where they push themselves, but even then they don't feel like obese people do when they go out and tr…

> it's going to take you a long time to get fit, Not really - you'd be suprised how much energy is expended on this change of state (and the stress that accompanies it) as opposed to the paced effort of learned distance running. That's what HIIT is based on, and I'd argue that for an average unfit person it's much easier to quickly expend lots of energy than for a trained athlete.

Not my main point, my point was you can't keep wanting to feel ill 3 times a week.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Post by other_herbert »

notheguyouthink wrote: post #4
EGreg wrote: post #2

So they found that the group which sat for 10 hours but did 30 mins of exercise had cells just as robust as the group which ... what, sat around for 2 hours? Where are the details? Don't be fooled. Other studies showed that exercise doesn't negate the damage done by sitting: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2015/01/21/heal... http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/exp... Get off your but…

What's a good movement cycle? Both time and activity? My watch reminds me to move to try and get 250 steps an hour, so hourly I try to get up and get some steps. However that's not an increased heart rate and etc.

Moving will increase your heart rate... It might no be at v02 max but it will be higher than resting

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Post by cesarbs »

0xcde4c3db wrote: post #23
tertius wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on your definition of "feel worse". Is it bad to feel out of breath? I quite enjoy it in certain contexts.

It's not just definitions, it's also that a lot of people experience actual adverse reactions to exercise [1]. The typical social script is to condescendingly explain to them how they must be doing it wrong, and doctors often have trouble finding a medical explanation (even when it actually is caused by a medical condition), so people often blame themselves for having problems. This is, to put it mildly, not an optim…

Now I'm wondering if I have some degree of that. I've just commented on a sibling comment that while I love exercising, I just feel terrible right after it.

I also have this funny thing where I can't build endurance. I've been doing push ups on every work out and I can't for the life of me do more than 20. But I have no trouble increasing difficulty (putting hands closer, elevating feet, etc.) or weight (for things with weights like squats).

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Post by developer2 »

jMyles wrote: post #7

I'm reluctant to be this commenter, but this honestly reads like "sky is blue" kind of thinking. Worse: it is likely that nobody knows the "best" formula for physical-activity-unto-staying-young. Think about how difficult a problem this is. And even if there were a plausible, scientifically defensible answer in terms of the effect of specific routines on a sample population, it's still very difficult to generally app…

Keep in mind that there is a significant enough portion of the population who are overweight, get absolutely no exercise, eat mostly take-out and junk food, drink too much, and/or smoke cigarettes.

You don't need a study to spell out the result. You don't need scientific evidence to compare an individual with a healthy lifestyle vs. someone who matches the criteria above. It's not about what "makes you feel good", it's about what is plainly obvious when you put two people with different lifestyles side-by-side.

You only run into anecdotal micro-analysis bullshit if you're trying to compare two people who are identical in every category above, where the only difference is 30 mins of exercise a day vs. 3 hours.

Source: someone who does everything listed in my first paragraph. You would never put me next to any person in the 80th percentile of health, and make claims about "how difficult a problem this is". It's clear as day.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Post by brandon272 »

blueside wrote: post #17

I switched to a standup desk 5 years ago. I got a dog 3 years ago. I don't sit anymore and she forces me to take her for two walks almost everyday. I don't exactly have more energy and I don't feel like I'm going to live forever, but I have noticed I am aging slightly slower than my colleagues who are forced to sit down in their offices for over 12 hours a day.

Can you really notice aging of yourself and others who you work with over a period of just 5 years? My coworkers look largely the same (to me) as they did 5 years ago, just with different hair styles. And I'm even less capable of noticing any age related differences in myself over a five year period.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Post by dkarapetyan »

david___sh wrote: post #37

My view might be classified as 'odd', but this is how I look at this problem, and this is what I ended up doing: I do not mind living a decade shorter than those ones who are more active than me. I have tried to be active, but could not fit it into my mentality. Note that I did not say my lifestyle, I said my mentality. I am unable to be active. I was not an active person a a kid, and I am not one as an adult. If I a…

It's good to know oneself and be ok with that. Props to you my friend but do think about the people that might want you in their lives a bit longer. They surely would appreciate the extra time.

Re: Too much sitting, too little exercise may accelerate biological aging

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Post by agumonkey »

richard___ wrote: post #12
rubicon33 wrote: post #11

"We found that women who sat longer did not have shorter telomere length if they exercised for at least 30 minutes a day" In other words, you can't exercise away an unhealthy life style. That's very similar to diet. In fact, the big 3 (diet, exercise, and sleep) taken together are far greater than the sum of their parts. As a developer with a full time job, and side projects, I can easily find myself sitting in a cha…

Are you sure a standing desk helps at all? Is standing enough to negate the negative effects or is movement required

Any comparison with these big sitting rubber balls we see from time to time ?
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