SO much this.
The millennials and the way you talk. Ridiculous.
No wonder you can't find a date.
U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination
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Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination
#62"Oracle was far more likely to hire Asian applicants - particularly Indian people - for product development and technical roles than black, white or Hispanic job seekers." Can the DOL back up this claim with salary data to see if Oracle is abusing the H1-B visa system by purposefully keeping wages low? Most of the time it is just easier to hire Asian/Indian employees because they are readily available (larger proport…
your comment : "Oracle was far more likely to hire Asian applicants - particularly Indian people - for product development and technical roles than black, white or Hispanic job seekers." vs what it says in https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/ofccp/ofccp20170118-0 "The suit also challenges Oracle’s systemic practice of favoring Asian workers in its recruiting and hiring practices for product development and other te…
That comment is literally a direct quote from the reuters article
Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you say anonymous, how do you mean it? As in: the interviewer meets face-to-face without a resume in front of them, or the interviewer has a resume but the interview is done over the phone, or a phone interview with no resume?
Well, for one, you can hide contact info from a resume (which is still stored in a system somewhere, with a unique ID). And you can also make the early stages of your interview email or text-chat based (or just a Google Doc, like some companies do), to eliminate any potential bias in things that can be inferred from voice like accent, region, and gender. Obviously once they're on-site for an interview, you can't anon…
Well, I can tell the way sentences are formed in many cases if I'm dealing with a native speaker or not.
Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination
#64> The department also said that during its investigation, which began in 2014, Oracle refused to provide relevant information about its pay practices. That's the part that doesn't help Oracle at all in this. If you really don't have anything to hide/cleanup, why avoid providing useful information for 2+ years? (Granted, 'relevant information' might be loosely defined here) Tangent: I know several employers use the co…
> Tangent: I know several employers use the concept of a "salary band" for roles.
And you should know that it doesn't matter. If you're too expensive, you simply need to join with the appropriate role/title.
e.g. Senior something instead of Software Engineer.
Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination
#65> The department also said that during its investigation, which began in 2014, Oracle refused to provide relevant information about its pay practices. That's the part that doesn't help Oracle at all in this. If you really don't have anything to hide/cleanup, why avoid providing useful information for 2+ years? (Granted, 'relevant information' might be loosely defined here) Tangent: I know several employers use the co…
>On one hand, people have different skill levels even in a role. On the other, shouldn't the salary be tied to title?
I think bonuses are a great way to account for this. Give everyone with the same title the same salary and then take individual performance into consideration for bonuses so the better workers get more compensation in the end
Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
The data they requested didn't have personhood either yet the discussion went straight to whether the corporation does. Why is that if ownership doesn't encompass property rights?
Because ownership rights are not absolute. The IRS can dig through your personal and corporate finances to ensure you're compliant with your required tax liability payments, why would you think the Department of Labor wouldn't be permitted the same? EDIT: > I don't care to discuss what the law is sorry. Why would we discuss theory and not the actual law? The law is all that matters, as that's what will be enforced .
Because we find discussing theory fun? What does "all that matters" mean? This is a recreational discussion that carries no practical weight.
Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you say anonymous, how do you mean it? As in: the interviewer meets face-to-face without a resume in front of them, or the interviewer has a resume but the interview is done over the phone, or a phone interview with no resume?
Well, for one, you can hide contact info from a resume (which is still stored in a system somewhere, with a unique ID). And you can also make the early stages of your interview email or text-chat based (or just a Google Doc, like some companies do), to eliminate any potential bias in things that can be inferred from voice like accent, region, and gender. Obviously once they're on-site for an interview, you can't anon…
If you anonymize it and make it completely chat based how do you make sure that the person you are chatting with is really the applicant and not someone else?
Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, for one, you can hide contact info from a resume (which is still stored in a system somewhere, with a unique ID). And you can also make the early stages of your interview email or text-chat based (or just a Google Doc, like some companies do), to eliminate any potential bias in things that can be inferred from voice like accent, region, and gender. Obviously once they're on-site for an interview, you can't anon…
If you anonymize it and make it completely chat based how do you make sure that the person you are chatting with is really the applicant and not someone else?
You'd need a third party that you both trust. If you both don't trust anyone, there are ways around that too...
Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, for one, you can hide contact info from a resume (which is still stored in a system somewhere, with a unique ID). And you can also make the early stages of your interview email or text-chat based (or just a Google Doc, like some companies do), to eliminate any potential bias in things that can be inferred from voice like accent, region, and gender. Obviously once they're on-site for an interview, you can't anon…
Well, I can tell the way sentences are formed in many cases if I'm dealing with a native speaker or not.
Would you kindly do the willingly and explain how? :)
Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination
#70"Oracle was far more likely to hire Asian applicants - particularly Indian people - for product development and technical roles than black, white or Hispanic job seekers." Can the DOL back up this claim with salary data to see if Oracle is abusing the H1-B visa system by purposefully keeping wages low? Most of the time it is just easier to hire Asian/Indian employees because they are readily available (larger proport…
> abusing the H1-B visa system by purposefully keeping wages low? I hate this argument. All immigration has a first-degree effect of lowering wages, because it increases the supply of labor. Believe me, foreigners do not like H1Bs, its a piece of shit, and would wish for free passage or as easy as it can be. And if that happened, that would lower wages of everyone, and raise theirs. Reneging that h1b allows to hire c…
I can see the difference between wanting the jobs to go to new Americans (who happen to be Indian landed immigrants with a long-term intent to spend the rest of their lives in the West) and wanting the money to go to people who're going right back to India when the project is over, even if the depressing effect on salaries is equal.