the white house comment about snowden is incredible. Snowden basically released evidence of wrong doing on the part of the US agencies and he is made a scapegoat while the agencies continue business as usual. Oh and tough luck he happens to be in Russia which is now on the official enemys list, while it is completely irrelevant for snowden's actions.
Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence
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#442Seven years is still a long time for whistle blowing. I'm glad to see she is still getting released though. It's important to note commuting the sentence is not a pardon. Chelsea will still have this conviction for the rest of her life. I know there is a lot of controversy with Manning compared to Wikileaks et. al. as far as not redacting documents or using a discriminating news source to filter them. Still, I oppose…
> I oppose state secrets and the Hillary e-mails are actually very chilling when you start reading through them. Weren't they from the DNC leak? The DNC is not affiliated with the US state. I read some of the mails, and I found nothing chilling so I'm curious to know what chilling mails you found.
I'd like the answer to that, too. From everything I've read, this seems to be FUD.
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#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yet you continue to post. In all honesty, why do so? This is not meant in any way as a criticism. You've expressed this opinion of the HN community many times, so I'm genuinely interested why you continue to do so.
Think of me as a particularly disapproving Greek chorus.
As I pointed out in my initial comment, I personally value your comments when you're civil. I think they add to the overall discussion. I don't think anyone on Hacker News needs a "particularly disapproving Greek chorus" of any particular opinion. Less charitable people might argue it's indistinguishable from trolling. It's distracting and leads to bad faith and flamewar discussions, and is explicitly against community guidelines. I sincerely wish you the best and hope that you continue to engage constructively and positively, even when you disagree or believe people to be unreasonable. Best wishes.
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It is unjust to measure a sentence by the chance outcome (this would mean one person ends up with a light sentence and the other ends up with the book thrown at them for the same action due solely to chance). The evaluation must be in the action, not whether luck was or wasn't on your side. The fact that releasing so much classified information indiscriminately could have been very damaging to real people is the prob…
According to what theory of jurisprudence? Why are assault and murder treated differently then?
I'm not referencing any fleshed out theory that I'm aware of.
>Why are assault and murder treated differently then?
Well, assault covers a wide range of violent actions, some of which are very unlikely to cause death and others that are highly likely to cause death. Thus it makes sense to treat the actions differently because the likely outcome is different.
Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence
#445Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is unjust to measure a sentence by the chance outcome (this would mean one person ends up with a light sentence and the other ends up with the book thrown at them for the same action due solely to chance). The evaluation must be in the action, not whether luck was or wasn't on your side. The fact that releasing so much classified information indiscriminately could have been very damaging to real people is the prob…
According to what theory of jurisprudence? Why are assault and murder treated differently then?
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Yea, from the POV of the government having the public realize all the illegal, unethical and irresponsible things you've been doing with their tax dollars would be absolutely terrible. Someone may end up getting jail time - or even worse - lose their reelection! /s Anyone who is able to condemn Manning would also condemn the soldiers of Hitler's army who chose to disobey orders to kill Jews because it would have been…
You sure jumped to Nazi comparisons rather quickly.
Rather than being an example of Godwin's law, though, this is a historically analogous comparison of US war crimes justifications in Iraq to the Nuremberg defense and doesn't suggest impending ethnic genocide where there is none.
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I know these days we're all treating it as an established fact that Sweden's extradition request for Assange is actually a cover for him to be further extradited to the United States, but it has never actually been proven.
Didn't the women drop all charges, if they even charged him in the first place? I think it's fair to assume, given the circumstances
No, the case was originally reopened at the request of their lawyer, and we have relatively recent statements from them insisting they want the case to proceed
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-rape...
Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence
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I'm well aware, which is why it's totally inappropriate usage here. Chelsea Manning's gender and pronoun are arguably among the most well-known in the world, since she has very publicly made them explicit! The only reason anyone in this situation is using "they" is because of a desire to avoid saying the correct pronoun "she."
Precisely. Except i don't think it's a "mistake".
I just took that part out, after thinking about it for a little bit. Our default pattern of speech is to choose "he" or "she" if we know one of these pronouns is correct, so the use of singular-they is nearly always deliberate.
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That can be changed
I know these days we're all treating it as an established fact that Sweden's extradition request for Assange is actually a cover for him to be further extradited to the United States, but it has never actually been proven.
Which means Assange knew it was a double bind when he said what he said. They never tried to extradite him, even if it was implied. This now means that everyone expects the US to extradite him, which is what they were trying to avoid to begin with by extraditing him to Sweden. And, if they do extradite him, the US will have to come up with a reason why they didn't to begin with.
Brilliant move and interesting timing. This chess match is just getting going.
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> post-hoc fallacy. You're just misquoting me. >If you want to get strict about definitions, look up "whistleblower." If you rely on dictionaries written at a third grade reading level as your source of meaning, you're doing it wrong.
When it comes to prescriptive definitions for words in the English language, I trust the concurrence of Merriam-Webster and Collins a bit more than I'm willing to trust your word. You won't convince me otherwise. If you feel a whistleblower who also causes unrelated data to be leaked "doesn't count," you are welcome to take that point of view up with the publishers. Have a great day!
>If you feel a whistleblower who also causes unrelated data to be leaked "doesn't count,"
Again with the mischaracterizations! You should stop that.
I feel someone who had no knowledge or suspicion of wrongdoing and no intention to just reveal wrongdoing does not count as a whistleblower. Pretty simple.