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That can be changed
I know these days we're all treating it as an established fact that Sweden's extradition request for Assange is actually a cover for him to be further extradited to the United States, but it has never actually been proven.
I think it's fair to assume, given the circumstances
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Whistle blowing requires the knowledge of wrong doing, and exposing these wrong doings. As far as I am aware that guy leaked the data in bulk without looking at it, and without any knowledge of the US diplomacy, and the leaks didn't expose any major wrongdoing. Only some gory videos, that don't really teach us anything (everyone knows bombs make "collateral damages", the US army even maintains statistics on them). An…
Chelsea Manning is a woman; please do not misgender her by referring to her as "that guy".
If it makes you feel better, assume the OP was referring to sex and not gender.
If it doesn't, please understand that not everybody shares your political inclinations with respect to gender-theory and identity.
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If you're knowledgable enough to censor the documents yourself before release, that's the way to go. Not everyone has perfect knowledge. Releasing only to journalists and stuff is a fairly good method too, but maybe create unnecessary exposure. Manning also went for a bulk dump strategy rather than being selective. Ultimately when you're dealing with a lot of data, that might be the only reasonable way to get it, but…
Snowden was very selective, and look where that got him...
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Manning is a woman, not a guy. It is fucking disgusting how many people here want to misgender her.
This is an issue you (along with many others) are very passionate about. An earlier comment you made I think describes this particularly eloquently and civilly. She was always a woman; she just presented as a man for many years. The NYT presented the information quite well when they said, "Ms. Manning was still known as Bradley Manning when she deployed with her unit to Iraq in late 2009." https://news.ycombinator.co…
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Chelsea Manning is a woman; please do not misgender her by referring to her as "that guy".
Ugghhhhh. Please stop baiting. If it makes you feel better, assume the OP was referring to sex and not gender. If it doesn't, please understand that not everybody shares your political inclinations with respect to gender-theory and identity.
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If you're knowledgable enough to censor the documents yourself before release, that's the way to go. Not everyone has perfect knowledge. Releasing only to journalists and stuff is a fairly good method too, but maybe create unnecessary exposure. Manning also went for a bulk dump strategy rather than being selective. Ultimately when you're dealing with a lot of data, that might be the only reasonable way to get it, but…
Snowden was very selective, and look where that got him...
Snowden leaked to people who were more selective than Manning, at least. And we don't actually know where it would have gotten him with the legal syste, since as well as learning "how to leak" from Manning's negative example, he also seems to have learned "where to be when the leaks become public" by the same method.
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Ugghhhhh. Please stop baiting. If it makes you feel better, assume the OP was referring to sex and not gender. If it doesn't, please understand that not everybody shares your political inclinations with respect to gender-theory and identity.
People's identities are not a "political inclination" and to say they are is transphobic.
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> It is without contention that the vast majority of the leaked cables revealed nothing that anyone considers wrongdoing. Right, and nobody is contending that. Rather, the act of commuting her sentence is contending that 8 years is a sufficient punishment for a leak which hasn't caused any concrete harm to US citizens or interests. 35 years is more than most rapists and many murderers serve, do you really think it wa…
It is unjust to measure a sentence by the chance outcome (this would mean one person ends up with a light sentence and the other ends up with the book thrown at them for the same action due solely to chance). The evaluation must be in the action, not whether luck was or wasn't on your side. The fact that releasing so much classified information indiscriminately could have been very damaging to real people is the prob…
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Manning dumped a whole slew of stuff without any checking or vetting or anything else. Some of the stuff I saw in relationship to Italy, for instance, was just diplomatic personnel airing "what they really thought" about Silvio Berlusconi. These comments are the kind of thing that didn't do anyone any good to have dumped in public.
Others would say -- and I would say also -- that in general, the public has benefited greatly from the disclosures in the more pertinent cable leaks. The thing to keep in mind, though, is that Manning didn't simply dump these to "the public"; she gave them to Assange and his people, who (after some falling out with each other, and a lapse in some basic security practices) managed to leak the passphrase to one of thei…
> the public has benefited greatly
> from the disclosures in the more
> pertinent cable leaks
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This is an issue you (along with many others) are very passionate about. An earlier comment you made I think describes this particularly eloquently and civilly. She was always a woman; she just presented as a man for many years. The NYT presented the information quite well when they said, "Ms. Manning was still known as Bradley Manning when she deployed with her unit to Iraq in late 2009." https://news.ycombinator.co…
It's not an "opinion" about which people can reasonably be on different pages in 2017. It's transphobic and disgusting. And of course i'm getting downvoted for speaking out about it, because this is, after all, Hacker News.
And Hacker News will downvote tone and civility, regardless of the opinion. It's very easy to see that as an attack when it's happening to you. I see the same behavior on all sides of issues. When I find myself getting particularly heated, I find it better to refrain from commenting at all, not because I'm afraid of getting downvoted, but because I know it's not going to lead to any useful discussion.