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Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Why can the US president meddle with the sentence of a convict? Isn't that against the separation of powers? Not that I have anything against this guy Manning in particular, just asking why is this "tolerable" in a democracy. Isn't it a risk, that the president can pardon whoever he wants?

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Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Seven years is still a long time for whistle blowing. I'm glad to see she is still getting released though. It's important to note commuting the sentence is not a pardon. Chelsea will still have this conviction for the rest of her life. I know there is a lot of controversy with Manning compared to Wikileaks et. al. as far as not redacting documents or using a discriminating news source to filter them. Still, I oppose…

I have mixed feelings on this. Manning did commit a crime. They were entrusted with classified information and they released it on purpose. For all of the corruption and wrongdoing the release of those cables uncovered, didn't it also do things like give away the positions of some undercover agents? And harm US diplomatic relations with other countries? Look at it from the POV of the government: How could they not punish Manning? It would do a lot to encourage others to indiscriminately leak classified info. Which would be bad.

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually explicitly in the Constitution: "The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment." Article II, Section 2

So it's only possible if it was something that was done against the US?

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Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Seven years is still a long time for whistle blowing. I'm glad to see she is still getting released though. It's important to note commuting the sentence is not a pardon. Chelsea will still have this conviction for the rest of her life. I know there is a lot of controversy with Manning compared to Wikileaks et. al. as far as not redacting documents or using a discriminating news source to filter them. Still, I oppose…

He has male parts you scientifically illutilerate dumbfuck.

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Seven years is still a long time for whistle blowing. I'm glad to see she is still getting released though. It's important to note commuting the sentence is not a pardon. Chelsea will still have this conviction for the rest of her life. I know there is a lot of controversy with Manning compared to Wikileaks et. al. as far as not redacting documents or using a discriminating news source to filter them. Still, I oppose…

yeah, maybe, but I guess I would also say that maybe he did the decent thing when he judged it would no longer bear a political cost to do so - because I bet being a politician means you have to take those political costs into consideration. (certain exceptions do spring to mind)

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Why can the US president meddle with the sentence of a convict? Isn't that against the separation of powers? Not that I have anything against this guy Manning in particular, just asking why is this "tolerable" in a democracy. Isn't it a risk, that the president can pardon whoever he wants?

The president is granted the power to pardon by the same document that establishes the separation of powers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_Stat...

It's not a super long document.

http://constitutionus.com/

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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I hope this will set the tone for how whistleblowers are treated in the future, and I wonder what the President Elect has to say about this.

A 7-year prison sentence is about what you get for horrible violent crime in most of the civilized world. That's not a great "tone" to set.

As the son of a murder victim, 7 years is not enough for horrible, violent crimes.

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually explicitly in the Constitution: "The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment." Article II, Section 2

So it's only possible if it was something that was done against the US?

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