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Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

#11
It's been said that one person's freedom fighter is another's terrorist.

> The files she copied also included about 250,000 diplomatic cables from American embassies around the world showing sensitive deals and conversations, dossiers detailing intelligence assessments of Guantánamo detainees held without trial, and a video of an American helicopter attack in Baghdad in two Reuters journalists were killed, among others.

Has there been any sort of "ethical" system designed to show a person how they are supposed to whistle blow? I'm only familiar with the SEC's guidance, on what they expect you to do and going public isn't one of their main points.

How should a person become a whistle blower like Manning or Snowden while making sure there is no collateral damage to people in the field?

I mean, the main point against Snowden and Manning seems to be that they released way too much information to the public that could be seen as doing more harm than good depending on your point of view.

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Good. I wish that he would just pardon her, though. I don't want the next administration to somehow undo this.

I was curious and looked up the difference.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3339765&page=1

A "pardon wipes out the conviction while a commutation leaves the conviction intact but wipes out the punishment."

It seems that the next administration can't do anything about it at least.

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Sadly, this act was just another political tool to contrast with Snowden.

Quote from the article:

the White House spokesman, Joshua Earnest, discussed the "pretty stark difference" between Ms. Manning's case for mercy with Mr. Snowden's. While their offenses were similar, he said, there were "some important differences."

"Chelsea Manning is somebody who went through the military criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes, and she acknowledged wrongdoing," he said. "Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary, and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy."

He also noted that while the documents Ms. Manning provided to WikiLeaks were "damaging to national security," the ones Mr. Snowden disclosed were "far more serious and far more dangerous." (None of the documents Ms. Manning disclosed were classified above the merely "secret" level.)

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Manning indiscriminately leaked tons of diplomatic cables, as part of a personal vendetta against the US Army. It is without contention that the vast majority of the leaked cables revealed nothing that anyone considers wrongdoing. This wasn't the act of a whistle blower. It was the cowardly act of someone who put their own petty fantasies ahead of their solemn duty to protect the information they were entrusted with by the people of this country.

This is nothing but Obama pandering to the left.

EDIT: How telling that this comment has been flagged. Downvoting opinions you don't like is bad enough, trying to kill them altogether by flagging betrays a serious contempt for open discourse.

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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I hope this will set the tone for how whistleblowers are treated in the future, and I wonder what the President Elect has to say about this.

I am confident he will have a few tweets about this before tomorrow morning. Does anyone know if President Elect Trump has the authority to overturn this sentence commuting?

Subsequent presidents can "un-pardon" people pardoned by previous presidents, so I have a hard time imagining that a commutation is somehow immune to that kind of thing.

EDIT: See follow-ups. I may be mistaken here, and need to run to a meeting, so I can't dig any more now.

EDIT 2: http://swampland.time.com/2008/12/25/more-on-pardons/

Relevant quote, "Ulysses S. Grant’s first clemency decision, on his third day in office, was to revoke two pardons granted by Andrew Johnson. Both men challenged Grant’s power to do so, and lost their case in federal court."

EDIT 3: Here's the link to the blog post linked from the Time article, in edit 2, from the Wayback Machine, for sake of completeness.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090212091707/http://pardonpower...

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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It's been said that one person's freedom fighter is another's terrorist. > The files she copied also included about 250,000 diplomatic cables from American embassies around the world showing sensitive deals and conversations, dossiers detailing intelligence assessments of Guantánamo detainees held without trial, and a video of an American helicopter attack in Baghdad in two Reuters journalists were killed, among othe…

He did damn good job!
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