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GIMP – 2016 in review

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Re: GIMP – 2016 in review

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Post by a300600st »

Blaaguuu wrote: post #108
chris_wot wrote: post #107

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Same here, but I am now genuinely interested to know what advantage Photoshop has over The Gimp nowadays?

For me, it still mostly comes down to usability. A big part of it is probably that I just have more experience with Photoshop, and if I really forced myself to use The GIMP more, it might grow on me... But when I am working in Photoshop I always feel incredibly productive, where as whenever I have to use The GIMP, I feel like the interface is constantly fighting against me, trying to keep me from getting my work done…

That's interesting because I feel the same but about Photoshop - having learned editing on Gimp. I'm curious to hear from someone who knows both well.

Re: GIMP – 2016 in review

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Post by whyileft »

prokoudine wrote: post #113
whyileft wrote: post #68

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Its because GIMP's UI is designed for users that have more traditional Linux style window managers(tiling, focus follows mouse etc.) Whereas most other programs, including the Adobe suite, are designed for the more underpowered window systems in osx and windows. That's why it is painful to use in those environments and environments like gnome which follow a similar design philosophy.

> Its because GIMP's UI is designed for users that have more traditional Linux style window managers(tiling, focus follows mouse etc.) I think I can safely speak for the team here: no, we don't think much about tiling or f-f-m.

Well, then I guess its just a happy accident because the separate windows for different tools makes it a lot more convenient for with weirdos like me. So thanks a bunch, even if you didn't mean it!

Re: GIMP – 2016 in review

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Post by aarontyree »

prokoudine wrote: post #127
aarontyree wrote: post #8

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I wonder sometimes if the reason GIMP development doesn't surpass other options is simply not having enough developers, having a user base that is more art centered than programming centered, and having a somewhat bottlenecked development culture. These could just be perceptions. I am hoping that when the transition to GEGL is fully implemented, there will be an acceleration. Its hard to use it for serious work. The…

Aaron, basically you are looking at a combination of factors: — a huge momentum that Photoshop has accumulated over the decades; — huge R&D and marketing budget at Adobe; — whole businesses built around educating Adobe tools (think Envato et al.). And the list goes on. Which is why it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to "surpass other options". But it makes a hell of a sense to create a sensible sophisticated tool f…

Thank you. I like most of them, most days:) That really is correct. It isn't about being better than every other option is it? Its amazing how easy it is to fall back into the global stage competition thinking. I think its just that my inner Richard Stallman still points an accusing finger at me every time I fire up Photoshop:)

Re: GIMP – 2016 in review

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Post by Jach »

andreyk wrote: post #96
fizixer wrote: post #93

I used to be very good with MS-Paint when I used Windows XP. When I switched to linux, I didn't find a single program that has equivalent functionality with equivalent ease, though there are many (including GIMP) that can do much more but the basic stuff (MS-Paint level) isn't as easy (e.g., the pixel perfect precision, Pinta by default does some blurring so pixel editing needs tweaking it a bit). Is there any guide…

Not a direct answer to your question, but a recommendation for something to try: I always install KolourPaint on every linux machine I use, for me it achieves MS-Paint like functionality quite well.

Yup, me too. Especially now that modern Windows OSes ruined the classic Paint program, KolourPaint is all I have left.

Re: GIMP – 2016 in review

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Post by vurpo »

pawadu wrote: post #48
booli wrote: post #32

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One of my favourite project is by Gina Häußge, creator and maintainer of OctoPrint. "OctoPrint is the snappy web interface for your 3D printer that allows you to control and monitor all aspects of your printer and print jobs, right from within any browser on your network."[0] https://www.patreon.com/foosel Disclaimer: I work closely with Gina on (open source) plugins for OctoPrint. [0] http://octoprint.org

I tought this was a very niche project but there are obviously enough people interested to pay Gina $5400 every month. I assume even after patreon takes it cut (?) and German taxes she has enough money to live a comfortable life.

OctoPrint is pretty much the 3D printer web interface. It's very widely used for network-connected 3D printers. Personally, printing with OctoPrint is much nicer than printing the old regular way, specifically for shared printers like e.g. hackerspace printers.

If you have a community printer without OctoPrint, you need to somehow move your G-code file to the shitty single-purpose laptop connected to the 3D printer, open it with the printer controller program, start printing, and hope the laptop keeps working throughout the print. Or you can replace the laptop with a Raspberry Pi and OctoPrint, and now you just need to open the printer page, upload the G-code file, press Print and watch it go.

This is a realistic recount of the 3D printing experience at Turku Hacklab, before and after OctoPrint was installed.

Re: GIMP – 2016 in review

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Post by Raticide »

LordWinstanley wrote: post #103

Three words why The Gimp isn't taken seriously by anyone who uses Photoshop: "Non-Destructive Editing" [Oh yes. The interface is awful, too]

What annoys me the most about the interface is that dialogs ALWAYS open on the wrong screen. Is it so hard to open the dialogs on the same screen as the main window?

Re: GIMP – 2016 in review

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Post by h1d »

tornadoboy55 wrote: post #60
Yaggo wrote: post #19

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Also it does not seem to support retina mode, making it practically useless for a big share of Mac users. Besides, Pixelmator has raised the bar really high.

Yeah, for me personally Pixelmator is even better than Photoshop because (besides not having an astronomical price if you don't want a subscription) they have figured out the perfect sweetspot between too much and too few features (for a prosumer).

Biggest reason I stick to macOS.

Free = not enough, paid = expensive and bloated

Getting tired of this rule when macOS has apps on the sweet spot at affordable prices.

Re: GIMP – 2016 in review

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Post by h1d »

Yaggo wrote: post #19
babuskov wrote: post #13

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It works really well, I have been using it for about 2 years. The only two minor problems I found so far: 1. when you start it up from launcher, it doesn't show up in the foreground, so you have to click the icon again 2. if you have multiple monitors and you plug out the monitor with the gimp window it sometimes crashes. It doesn't happen every time, but as I precaution I first move the Gimp window to the other moni…

Also it does not seem to support retina mode, making it practically useless for a big share of Mac users. Besides, Pixelmator has raised the bar really high.

And lately Affinity Photo which is directly trying to compete against Photoshop.

Re: GIMP – 2016 in review

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Joeboy wrote: post #77
mathw wrote: post #59

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FWIW I find Photoshop more intimidating and confusing than GIMP, because I never learned to use Photoshop. If you're looking at GIMP as something to attract Photoshop users, sure, the UI is bad because it's not the same as Photoshop. Sure, there are places you can look at Photoshop and say "wow, that's so much better for productive use" (ignoring feature differences where we know Photoshop is ahead of course). But th…

> But this thing about GIMP having a UI that's _objectively_ bad is just unsupportable IMO. I don't mind GIMP's UI being different from Photoshop. I last used Photoshop over a decade ago and that would be plenty of time to adjust to any good UI. The things that annoy me about GIMP's UI are things like the focus always being in the wrong place so I have to use the mouse, or windows being placed over things I need to s…

One thing that amazes me is that to this day, its Layers palette offers no way to select multiple layers. At least, not through any UI convention used by major operating systems in the past couple of decades…

Under macOS it also has this funny little issue of picking up on the most recently added input method for setting the UI language instead of the system's default/current selected input method. As a result my copy of the GIMP runs in Japanese despite the rest of the system being NA English.

Re: GIMP – 2016 in review

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Post by rebuilder »

Joeboy wrote: post #109
MikeTaylor wrote: post #94

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I know you can. But for someone who mostly uses GIMP to crop screenshots, for example, the workflow is used to be: 1. Load PNG 2. Edit PNG 3. Save PNG 4. Quit Now it's 1. Load PNG 2. Edit PNG 3. Export as PNG (retyping the extension) 4. Quit 5. Say that yes, you do want to quit even though there are unsaved changes (because there are not). 6. Worry about whether there really WERE unsaved changes after all. I fully un…

Alt-F + W will save your file back to the original file. (or File menu + "Overwrite {filename}". I complain a lot about GIMP's UI but I don't really see a problem here.

What if you don't want to overwrite the original?
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