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Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by cekirge »

Ianvdl wrote: post #77
wslh wrote: post #47

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Sylpheed? http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/ screenshots here: http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/screenshot.html

I don't know how I ever missed this one when I searched for email clients. That looks like such a breath of fresh air: the download is under 10MB and it even supports GPG. I guess I found a replacement for Thunderbird.

I second that! Thank you very much for the link. Looks like the perfect lightweight and powerful mail client. And the fact that it stores each mail in its own file is absolutely bombastic. I guess I can finally sync my mail on different machines using my cloud storage as the sync back-end.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by grinich »

newsat13 wrote: post #240
karim wrote: post #169

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Nylas Basic supports generic IMAP accounts. We don't show them in the list of supported providers for QA reasons but you can still add such an account like this: https://imgur.com/a/WBdXe (By the way, feel free to open a Github issue if you're encountering problems syncing your IMAP account: https://github.com/nylas/N1/issues/ )

"QA reasons"? What is that supposed mean?

It means we didn't have enough time to make sure the app is great without bugs for this feature.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by Fnoord »

jamesgeck0 wrote: post #234
karim wrote: post #146

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Unfortunately, we have to use an intermediate server to use Google OAuth.

If a malicious party successfully attacked the Nylas auth servers, how much of my email data would they be able to get? All of it?

The backend speaks SMTP, IMAP, and HTTP. It is basically a glue (or proxy) between SMTP/IMAP (including those protocols over TLS) and HTTP. Nylas Pro talks HTTP to the glue (I assume that is using TLS, so HTTPS). Nylas Mail also talks HTTP to the backend, but the backend runs locally, so you're self hosting the backend. I suppose this has a performance loss. (With Nylas Pro, you can set a separate backend server if you desire but that requires work. That is a really cool feature for a business though.)

So I would assume you are hosed. The passwords need to be stored plaintext.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by nextos »

NoGravitas wrote: post #218
nextos wrote: post #139

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I am a very loyal mutt user. Coupled with mbsync (for offline imap) and notmuch (for indexing, threading and address completion) I think it's a great MUA. I obsessively measure wakeups/s in powertop for every application I use, and the above setup is very good. If you want to try other things you can look into the mutt-kz fork (which replaces internal search commands with notmuch). There is also a notmuch curses clie…

Gnus is unbeatable for reading mailing lists -- it basically lets you take the many optimizations and workflows developed in various newsreaders for managing large Usenet newsgroups of which you only want to read a small subset, and apply them to mailing lists. For reading mail other than big mailing lists, it's a little awkward. I used it as my main email client for years, but have drifted away.

What have you replaced gnus with?

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Post by hendersoon »

jcranmer wrote: post #236
hendersoon wrote: post #227

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Yes, absolutely. Multiline thread lists in particular. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213945 This bug has been open for ~14 YEARS. Thunderbird not being actively developed is not exactly a recent development. Reading through this thread I see tons of great MacOS mail clients, but very few Linux and essentially zero Windows. That's why I still use Thunderbird myself-- nothing better has ever come out.

The reason for the lack of implementation has very little to do with a fault on the side of Thunderbird. It's been blocked on Firefox people accepting the changes in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=441414 (which they finally categorically refused to do a few years ago).

Yeah, it's the usual open-source ego-driven squabbling.

Whatever the reason may be, users were left without this extremely useful and desirable feature for fourteen YEARS. Thunderbird at its core today acts and performs essentially identically to 2003. I've been using it myself since well before that. Development on the mail client hasn't meaningfully progressed since, well, _ever_.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by AsyncAwait »

biokoda wrote: post #52
wslh wrote: post #47

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Sylpheed? http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/ screenshots here: http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/screenshot.html

GTK still looks that bad? That is absolutely horrendous.

No, GTK3 looks like this[1] these days[2], these screenshots use an ancient version.

[1] - http://i.imgur.com/0eLhrAM.png

[2] - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/chergert/gnome-builder-web...

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by ryanolsonx »

karim wrote: post #100
shreve wrote: post #54

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That's an integral part of how it works. Their sync servers download your email, then sync with your local client. You need that ID to log into their server and access your individual email accounts.

Hey – I'm an engineer at Nylas. This used to be true but Nylas Mail now uses a totally client-side sync engine. If you're on the Basic edition, your emails never touch our servers. This was a huge undertaking (it's not easy to port a sync-engine written in Python and designed to run on servers to run efficiently on desktop machines) and is the major reason why we can now offer a freemium service. We're going to put o…

Based on what you say here, why not have the user create a Nylas Mail account for advanced features once they decide to upgrade? That would make it so that users (that only use the Basic version) can have a privacy-safe email client, if it doesn't even talk to your servers in the first place.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by hendersoon »

sachinag wrote: post #237
hendersoon wrote: post #227

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Yes, absolutely. Multiline thread lists in particular. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213945 This bug has been open for ~14 YEARS. Thunderbird not being actively developed is not exactly a recent development. Reading through this thread I see tons of great MacOS mail clients, but very few Linux and essentially zero Windows. That's why I still use Thunderbird myself-- nothing better has ever come out.

We really hope that Nylas Mail will be your cross-platform email app then. Being build on Electron allows us to support all three major platforms and we are 100% committed to it. Nylas Pro (formerly N1) already supports all three and Nylas Mail should be there in a couple of weeks, if 'e0m is to be trusted. :) (I work at Nylas.)

You announced your project with tons of fanfare but no Windows client. I realize MacOS is very popular amongst developers, but Windows has a 91% desktop OS marketshare.

From a broad marketing perspective, you should have waited until the Windows client was available. When you finally release it in a week or a month, will you get another frontpage Hackernews post? Probably not.

Re: Nylas Mail is now free

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Post by jhasse »

rspeer wrote: post #152
cookiecaper wrote: post #135

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JavaScript is NOT the first language to provide cross-platform GUI. Such toolkits are very old. Gtk, Qt, wxWidgets, and many others serve this functionality and have bindings across dozens of languages. There is no reason to use JavaScript just so you can get a "cross platform GUI".

Gtk is not very cross-platform. It looks non-native on Windows, and it's so non-native on macOS that you have to run an X server just to see it. wxWidgets seems to be abandoned (their bindings don't even have a Python 3 release, which would happen right away if anyone cared). Most of these provide dated UI elements that people don't want to work with. Qt perhaps is holding up the best, but I can see why people prefer…

> and it's so non-native on macOS that you have to run an X server just to see it.

Gtk has been ported to macOS in 2007. You don't need an X server anymore :)

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