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Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Re: Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Post by headmelted »

hackerboos wrote: post #113
mojuba wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And for anyone not familiar with what's likely going on behind the scenes: it's about lowering the corporation tax in the UK. I don't know whether this is a new idea or not, but it would give the UK the leverage it needs in negotiations; will persuade many multinational corporations to stay and will even attract new ones. However, there will be a lot of pain for ordinary people in the interim. Not for corporations th…

Northern Ireland is set to lower its rates to 12.5% [1] to compete with the Republic, I can see the entire UK following suit at some point during May's term with abolishing all corporate tax rates before 2025. [1] - http://www.arthurcox.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Projecte...

Not likely now that we've dissolved our government.

Again.

Re: Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Post by soVeryTired »

hkjgkjy wrote: post #124
lwhi wrote: post #41

I find her language very problematic. I didn't vote to leave—so when she claims to be speaking for the British people, I'm left wondering how my voice can count. I'm part of 48% of 72.2%; a lot of people are likely to share my concern. We need a general election. She speaks of what 'she wants'—the most problematic part of this surreal theatrical horror story is fact we the country didn't vote for her. I don't want th…

27.8% chose not to have a say in it then. Leaving the EU means leaving the single market, and a majority voted for that. It's not too late for the UK - if you do have a general election, and one party promises to not follow the Brexit referendum, and they win, I guess the EU will stay. But then people will moan about government not following the voice of the people, as expressed by the referendum.

> Leaving the EU means leaving the single market

That's actually not correct. It's possible to be in the European Free Trade Area without being a member of the EU. Norway, Switzerland, and Iceland have this arrangement.

Re: Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Post by sparshgupta »

> Maintaining the common travel area between the UK and Irish Republic Tariff-free trade with the EU A customs agreement with the EU Continued "practical" sharing of intelligence and policing information "Control" of immigration rights for EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't these the things they get by being members of the EU? That is why they paid fees to have all this stuff that benefits them, right?

Honestly, when did the world start getting run by petulant children in the form of old white people? Over here we have The Golden Tariff that is destroying stocks because they pissed him off.

Re: Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Post by blibble »

rwmj wrote: post #168
blibble wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

indeed, I simply stopped selling services to the rest of the EU as it was not worth the effort in dealing with the new EU VAT regime, even though my small operation is below the threshold for VAT registration in my home country

So is the solution: (a) Fix the VAT registration rules to make them simpler. (b) Leave the European Union.

all I'm going to say is that bureaucracies rarely decrease in size

Re: Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Post by unfortunateface »

I think we should replace politicians and obviously flawed democratic process with a top down style economy run by Economists.

Obviously we will have to have some kind of mechanism for choosing between these Economists, as some have shown to be pretty far off in their predictions.

Some sort of system based on the casting and counting of votes perhaps.

Re: Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Post by Keyframe »

mojuba wrote: post #40
headmelted wrote: post #9

For anyone not familiar with British political etiquette, the phrase: "the UK cannot remain within the European single market, as staying in it would mean not leaving the EU at all" can be interpreted as: "I told them they better give us a special exception for single market access and no immigration and they laughed at me".

And for anyone not familiar with what's likely going on behind the scenes: it's about lowering the corporation tax in the UK. I don't know whether this is a new idea or not, but it would give the UK the leverage it needs in negotiations; will persuade many multinational corporations to stay and will even attract new ones. However, there will be a lot of pain for ordinary people in the interim. Not for corporations th…

Except reality, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-banks...

Re: Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Post by cannam »

dazc wrote: post #119
thenomad wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn't agree more, and I wonder why you're being downvoted so hard. Particularly given that 52% of the voters voted for Leave, not for a hard Brexit. Those are two very different propositions and a significant chunk of the 52% didn't want a hard Brexit.

How did you arrive at this conclusion other than pure conjecture? The in-out vote was a binary choice, as I remember?

No idea what individual voters thought they were voting for, but it's worth remembering that the official Leave campaign said that the UK would be staying in the free-trade zone.

That may be impossible to reconcile with the other things they said, but there it is.

(Source: http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/our_case.html - "There is a free trade zone from Iceland to Turkey and the Russian border and we will be part of it")

Re: Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Post by gonvaled »

cJ0th wrote: post #28

The UK (and soon the US) are shaking the world up. The winners of this shake up will be those who are, both, able to drop old assumptions quickly and enjoying a good deal of luck. It's a bit like organizing the world by chance while hoping for the best.

Agree. We have entered the "Era of the Bully": don't ask permission, not even forgiveness. Whatever you can do, just do it. Don't care who you hurt. The only principle guiding you should be "to maximize your own benefit", assuming that the other players are doing the same. In the EU, we had left this behind long ago, compromising between us in order to get some minimal standards for granted.

This will work very well for those strong enough to fight the fight - and the UK could very well be one of the winners of this new period. But this will be at the expense of hurting the rest.

That's why the EU should be extremely careful about what role the UK is going to play in the near future. We should recognize and punish any hostile act for what it is, for example the already official threat of creating a tax heaven in our backyard.

Re: Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Post by gpderetta »

andybak wrote: post #55
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #46

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What double standards! So, trade tariffs and custom agreements: bureaucracy; restrictions on free movement [1] - that's just the will of the people! Populism is going to cost the UK dearly. And not just in terms of money. The UK is heading headlong into a kind of society taken straight out of the pages of "V for Vendetta". ________________ [1] "Controls on immigration"

> The UK is heading headlong into a kind of society taken straight out of the pages of "V for Vendetta". I call "Godwin by Proxy". There's many reasons to fear current trends but it's a touch premature to predict we're about to become a fascist dictatorship.

"funnily enough" [1], it seems the only obstacle to government mass surveillance and privacy invasion in UK is the ECJ...

[1] as in, not funny at all

Re: Theresa May: UK must leave European single market

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Post by detritus »

kchoudhu wrote: post #161
mangecoeur wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People in the UK haven't quite gotten over that whole global empire thing. Every now and then they make documentaries about how they brought civilization to India or something.

I mean, the East India Company is still a going concern. It's worrying on numerous levels.

Oh dear.

Go check what the 'modern East India Company' actually sells, who owns it and why he bought it.

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