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Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" (2003)

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Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" (2003)

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> Nah, that is just Jobs being Jobs. Trying to market himself as a design guy when in reality he is all marketing. Actually Jobs was all design and vision (and business deals) -- and very little marketing. Apple had in-house and outside ad and marketing teams.

I'm curious: When we talk about product-market fit, do you classify that as marketing?

If you mean recognizing if a product will be good for a particular market, then obviously not.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" (2003)

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> "Its shape is not innovative, it's not elegant, it doesn't feel anthropomorphic," said Jobs, ticking off three of his design mantras. I was wondering what exactly did Jobs mean when he said that the design was not "anthropomorphic". I mean, the shape of an iPhone does look very different from that of a human figure. EDIT: perhaps he meant that it wasn't ergonomic?

I think he used the word more abstractly, like in terms of having a direct human interface to it, like using your finger on the iPhone's touchscreen almost like turning the page of a book, etc. I don't know how that would translate to a Segway, though - maybe something that made motion feel more immediate than just leaning.

> I don't know how that would translate to a Segway, though - maybe something that made motion feel more immediate than just leaning.

South Park had a design idea for revolutionary transportation that had a more "direct human interface"[1].

1. The IT Bike. NSFW: http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/IT

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" (2003)

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"Screw the lead times. You don't have a great product yet!" - Steve Jobs Advice every struggling startup needs to hear. Great products are rare and the best way to succeed is not to settle on product quality.

But how do you know you have a great product before you ship? Until you have paying customers, you don't have a real feedback loop.

But how do you know you have a great product before you ship? Until you have paying customers, you don't have a real feedback loop.

If you need customer feedback in order for you to know what to build, what business do you have building anything? How could you ever hope to innovate?

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" (2003)

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A (feeble) plug for my hometown, Manchester NH (where Dean Kamen is currently located): I just visited the Millyards and they have apartments there that would cost $3500/month in Boston (more in SF) for $1400/month, Dean just pledged $300 million to biotech startups right there. Not much nightlife but not many distractions either, and they've put these beautiful restaurants in the old mills. It's about the same dista…

So if you want to drop off the grid for a while

Is this just trash talking a hometown you were glad to leave for the glamor of a big city, or do people actually think like this?

I've lived in big cites, and rural Maine, so I understand the fear of missing out that comes with it. But it's possible to have a social life anywhere, and we work online. Is there some startup culture thing that I'm not exposed to where zero commute and physically rubbing elbows is paradoxically more important than in fields less conductive to remote work?

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" (2003)

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"suspected, as did Dean, that Doerr was setting them up for an ambush on his home turf"

Why the ambush? Was John Doerr previously trying to deliver the same message (that the product wasn't ready), but needed Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs' firepower to finally convince Dean Kamen? The article only hints at it, but this sounds like there's a bit more drama in the Doerr/Kamen relationship.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" (2003)

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This makes me miss Steve Jobs, a lot. So much of what he says seemed dead on about the struggles Segway faced. For all his faults, I think he had a great sense about what consumers wanted and loved about a product, as well as what would frustrate them or turn them off, and I think it's been one of Apple's struggles since he passed.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" (2003)

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> "Its shape is not innovative, it's not elegant, it doesn't feel anthropomorphic," said Jobs, ticking off three of his design mantras. I was wondering what exactly did Jobs mean when he said that the design was not "anthropomorphic". I mean, the shape of an iPhone does look very different from that of a human figure. EDIT: perhaps he meant that it wasn't ergonomic?

Think a little bit more broad than actually 'human shaped'. Picture something that you could some how project human qualities on to. A car isn't human shaped, but the front can sometimes be thought of as having the characteristics of a human face. To steve jobs, this was anthropomorphic: http://cdn.ientry.com/sites/webpronews/article_pics/mac128he... I think to probably project a little bit myself, I'd say it might have a bit to do with his experiences with psychedelics where you can get into this headspace where everything takes on life around you.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" (2003)

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A (feeble) plug for my hometown, Manchester NH (where Dean Kamen is currently located): I just visited the Millyards and they have apartments there that would cost $3500/month in Boston (more in SF) for $1400/month, Dean just pledged $300 million to biotech startups right there. Not much nightlife but not many distractions either, and they've put these beautiful restaurants in the old mills. It's about the same dista…

So if you want to drop off the grid for a while Is this just trash talking a hometown you were glad to leave for the glamor of a big city, or do people actually think like this? I've lived in big cites, and rural Maine, so I understand the fear of missing out that comes with it. But it's possible to have a social life anywhere, and we work online. Is there some startup culture thing that I'm not exposed to where zero…

I think that's just me projecting my worries about what people think about where I'm from. There is evidence that people do think that way. See the responder who said he would not want to live there because there are too many white people.

Re: Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" (2003)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, one could live in the middle of Texas for $400/month in a place with low crime...and nothing to do, no infrastructure, and no jobs. Jobs won't come there any time soon, because people don't want to be there, hence the low CoL.

I've never understood this argument. Probably the best thing about being a cutting-edge dev is the ability to work from anywhere. Heck, I've only worked onsite for a handful of my clients. Some of them (including my current client) I've never even met. Why this need to co-locate everyone - in the most expensive city we can find? Why the need to work so hard - just to transfer your hard-earned wealth to a landlord? Yo…

It's because people of diverse backgrounds need diversity in their community/social life as well. In Texas you have two kinds of diversity: white and Hispanic.
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