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2017 Levchin Prize for Real World Cryptography

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Re: 2017 Levchin Prize for Real World Cryptography

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Post by huhtenberg »

niftich wrote: post #5

Not OP, but I sense perhaps a limitation of HN; articles with comments where the comment is the submission get conflated with submissions about the article itself. (EDIT: the submission's URL has now been changed from a particular reddit comment at https://www.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/5m0zpo/moxie_marlin... to a different announcement about the prize. The rest of my post as it originally stood follows.) Reproduci…

Nice backstory, factually incorrect.

Applauding with an audience is not a part of a communist leader repertoire. Neither Brezhnev, Khruschev nor Stalin applauded with an audience. They always accepted the ovations for themselves. I suspect it might be different in China, but even then it has less to do with a philosophical view on how history unfolds and more with demonstrating fake humility to the crowd.

Re: 2017 Levchin Prize for Real World Cryptography

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Post by Johnny_Brahms »

Unman wrote: post #18

While applauding the stated mission of Open Whisper Systems to make cryptography usable by large numbers of people I think it is fair to hold Moxie & Co. to the same high standards to which they held PGP: https://moxie.org/blog/gpg-and-me/ The journalists who depend on it struggle with it and often mess up (“I send you the private key to communicate privately, right?”), the activists who use it do so relatively spari…

> 4) Dependency struggle. AFAICS no other projects can piggy-back off WhatsApp because it's proprietary and closed. So the user base can't scratch their own itches. OK, so what about Signal? Sounds like the dependency on Google Cloud Messages and Play Services can be hacked around with great difficulty.

There is a pull request that got some quite thorough code review by moxie recently that gives users the option of _not_ using GCM, but it won't be merged until call/video support is implemented with webrtc (because it can't support calls over websockets, and just not being able to call some users isn't an option.)

And GPG is too hard for people to use. I have helped journalists with GPG, and even intelligent somewhat tech-litterate people struggle with the concepts of it. Look no further than Glen Greenwald, who almost wasn't able to communicate with Snowden.

Re: 2017 Levchin Prize for Real World Cryptography

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Post by SagelyGuru »

niftich wrote: post #5

Not OP, but I sense perhaps a limitation of HN; articles with comments where the comment is the submission get conflated with submissions about the article itself. (EDIT: the submission's URL has now been changed from a particular reddit comment at https://www.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/5m0zpo/moxie_marlin... to a different announcement about the prize. The rest of my post as it originally stood follows.) Reproduci…

Applauding with the audience may have been meant as a sign of humility or marxist fatalism. However, by Occam's razor, it comes across as what it looks like: the speaker applauding himself.

Re: 2017 Levchin Prize for Real World Cryptography

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Post by idlewords »

tptacek wrote: post #20
snowpanda wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because it is pretentious and politically loaded. The guy acts like he cured cancer and tries to throw in his political ideologies. Meanwhile he's stubbornly defending WhatsApp and dismissing any criticism of the security flaw featured in The Guardian. Or any work towards a Signal without Google Play Services. Or most forms of criticism really. Unfortunately, most people on here follow along with anything he s…

The Levchin Award recipients are determined by the RWC Steering Committee, which this year was Dan Boneh, Aggelos Kiayias, Brian LaMacchia, Kenny Paterson, Tom Ristenpart, Tom Shrimpton, and Nigel Smart. I think we can safely assume Moxie's popularity on HN had very little to do with persuading these people.

Redditors one and all!

Re: 2017 Levchin Prize for Real World Cryptography

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SagelyGuru wrote: post #33
niftich wrote: post #5

Not OP, but I sense perhaps a limitation of HN; articles with comments where the comment is the submission get conflated with submissions about the article itself. (EDIT: the submission's URL has now been changed from a particular reddit comment at https://www.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/5m0zpo/moxie_marlin... to a different announcement about the prize. The rest of my post as it originally stood follows.) Reproduci…

Applauding with the audience may have been meant as a sign of humility or marxist fatalism. However, by Occam's razor, it comes across as what it looks like: the speaker applauding himself.

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