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I recently tried riot.im and I'm realy blown away by the good UI they have and how easy it is to get started to develop your own stuff. It is a shame that nothing by the likes exists in the XMPP-sphere. EDIT: As a side note: Daniel Gultsch from the conversations-fame is doing a great job by providing/developing a realy awesome XMPP client for android and pushing the standard forward.
> A single decision by Moxie or a single court order in some country can make Signal unavailable to a large part of its user base. This is a great point made later on the thread. And already happened in some countries, for example, with whatsapp. Social pressure was big enough to revert it in a reasonable time, but time is very relative on how much you or your business relies on it.
While when your XMPP server admin does something weird or a country breaks it you are locked in.
For Signal you use an ID which is not owned by Signal. So for Signal and alike the decentralisation doesn't come from the service but from your own social graph which is your phone book on your smartphone.
Moxie explained it much better I think. https://whispersystems.org/blog/contact-discovery/
It would (will..?) be a crying shame to see XMPP grind to a halt - but I suspect, sadly, that the honest answer to the question is "not one heck of a lot really". I don't know if it got started too early, or moved too slowly, or what - but in the end, it missed its boat.
what's the universal alternative for XMPP?
The advantage of slack over jabber is not only that the client doesn't suck (it's just electron) but that the server logs and creates a continuous experience for the user no matter if hes on mobile, in a browser or both.
What servers, and what clients implement it though? No idea...
Signal is a centralized point of failure and surveillance. Why can't I run my own signal server? Why doesn't the client support this? We need something like Signal that that isn't under the control of a single party.
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Signal requires users' phone numbers. True for Signal. XMPP is using JIDs which are functionally comparable to email addresses, and similarly anonymous (or not). Is there a way to run your own Signal server? The Signal client is open source, the server mostly so. You could create your own semi-Signal community, but it would not be able to talk to official-Signal users. XMPP is designed for federation by default, and…
What is this constant rumor about that Google killed XMPP federation? I think they killed the XMPP support in their own clients, but in general they still provide the service. I've at least three active @gmail.com XMPP accounts in my roster on a private server. I've read some rumor that they do not do TLS for server2server traffic, but in the end if you use XMPP on your desktop you most likely use OTR.
[1] https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/deprecations/xmpp
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I registered when it was called called Vector and recently started using it more seriously. It is freaking fantastic. Voice/video calls actually works and the Android app is very good. It was long since I had such as strong feeling of "this is it". When it comes to protocols (as opposed to "services"), they're seldom replaced. I mean, we're still using IRC for open source projects. Matrix/Riot gives me a glimpse of t…
> I mean, we're still using IRC for open source projects. Matrix/Riot gives me a glimpse of the future. Matrix/Riot does tend to break down in channels with 30k users all chatting, sending hundredthousands of messages per minute. (Which is a real use case of IRC).
The real issue is federated IM vs non-federated IM. Anyone can make a IM system work off a single server. People do it all the time and we have had a series of incompatible IM systems in the past. Signal and Whatsapp are just the current flavours. Soon they will be gone and there will be new hotness. At this point I consider any non-federating IM system to be part of the problem. As mentioned by someone in the linked…
The adoption rates show a general failure of the model.
Server-side transparent interoperability like Riot has with several services, however, seems extremely promising as a way to break that cycle.
These would be my concerns about potential differences between Signal and an 'Easy XMPP' client; would someone who knows Signal say whether these are accurate?: * Signal users are not anonymous; Signal requires users' phone numbers. * Signal is centralized. Is there a way to run your own Signal server? * Signal uses Google Chrome on the desktop (and Android?) and Google Play Services (or some part of them) on Android…