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Wide Impact: Highly Effective Gmail Phishing Technique Being Exploited

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Re: Wide Impact: Highly Effective Gmail Phishing Technique Being Exploited

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A way to mitigate the attack is to use Google's Password Alert extension in Chrome [1]. If you enter your Google password on a non-Google domain, it immediately tells you that you've been phished and prompts you to change your password. I use this extension in conjunction with two-factor auth.

1. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/password-alert/noo...

Re: Wide Impact: Highly Effective Gmail Phishing Technique Being Exploited

#42

"Changing your password every few months is good practice in general." Stop saying that! https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/techftc/2016/03/time-r...

I still stand by "change your passwords often". You never know when somebody has access to your accounts. I learned the hard way that someone had access to my Facebook because they watched me type on the keyboard. Had I changed my password monthly, I would have kicked him out after 30 days. As it stand, that person had access to my account for at least a year if not more.

What the FTC link is advising against are corporate policies that require password rotation, because in practice it has been determined that this leads to users selecting even less secure passwords and/or writing down their passwords because they cannot remember them. If a user wants to voluntarily rotate their passwords, then that's in no way a problem as long as they aren't compromising password strength in the process.

Re: Wide Impact: Highly Effective Gmail Phishing Technique Being Exploited

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post #9

I agree with the article's suggestion[0] that 'data:text/HTML' should be changed to amber (or even red)... How often would a non-technical user need to access such a URI? Technical users (the same way they may test insecure sites), would be savvy to this for legitimate means. This is pretty much a win-win Chrome hot-fix that could be rolled out asap. What an excellent analysis of the user perception involved and its…

> What Google needs to do in this case

And presumably also Microsoft, Apple, Mozilla, Opera...

Re: Wide Impact: Highly Effective Gmail Phishing Technique Being Exploited

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post #18

This is crazy. It's 2017. Why are people STILL clicking links in their E-mail? Have people learned nothing? You don't have to be a "technical user" anymore know know that's a bad idea. Hell, why do major E-mail clients even allow functional hyperlinks in E-mail? The major E-mail clients could 80% solve phishing overnight by just disabling links. They could probably solve a further 10% by disallowing copying things th…

I click the "unsubscribe" link all the time! Not to mention confirmation email links (much more convenient than entering a code they email me), package tracking links, and a whole slew of others.

I don't know if that's such a great security practice. I thought it was pretty common (at least among tech saavy crowd) to not click on Email links, but judging by the responses I guess not. Good luck and wear a helmet, everyone!

Re: Wide Impact: Highly Effective Gmail Phishing Technique Being Exploited

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post #44
post #9

I agree with the article's suggestion[0] that 'data:text/HTML' should be changed to amber (or even red)... How often would a non-technical user need to access such a URI? Technical users (the same way they may test insecure sites), would be savvy to this for legitimate means. This is pretty much a win-win Chrome hot-fix that could be rolled out asap. What an excellent analysis of the user perception involved and its…

> What Google needs to do in this case And presumably also Microsoft, Apple, Mozilla, Opera...

Microsoft never had this issue: "For security reasons, data URIs are restricted to downloaded resources. Data URIs cannot be used for navigation, for scripting, or to populate frame or iframe elements." - https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc848897(v=vs.85).a... (also a note of http://caniuse.com/#search=datauri)

It's a bit weird from a security point of view that self-XSS is protected in Firefox & Chrome (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994134 & https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=345205), but navigation data-uris are not.

Re: Wide Impact: Highly Effective Gmail Phishing Technique Being Exploited

#47
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't have login alerts or approvals enabled? Those would've alerted you to the need for a password rotation instantly without needing to rotate complex passwords on a regular cadence. If anything, I'd say your comment hardened my position against password rotation given how many mainstream sites with sensitive data expose extra security measures to their users. Take advantage of all of them!

You don't get login alerts if the person is using your wi-fi, a wi-fi where you once logged in (college, university, work...) or simply a computer you logged in one time (at that friend's place). That person could even disable them and you wouldn't be aware of it.

You can go on to facebook's privacy settings and disown previous logins. You are right that they don't let you manage it with enough specificity to prevent someone who's using the same IPV4 address and browser as you.

Re: Wide Impact: Highly Effective Gmail Phishing Technique Being Exploited

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post #29

Another issue is that browsers do not display the non-secure http:// prefix in the url bar (which should probably be red and striked through). As a PoC, I bought the domain https.is, and now I can construct urls like https.is//accounts.google.com - which can look convincing when glimpsed over.

This is why I disagree with the author's solution and find the Google employee's response fairly compelling:

> The data: URL part here is not that important as you could have a phishing on any http[s] page just as well.”

Calling out the use of data URIs doesn't solve the issue at all. I could just as easily register abc.xyz, pick up an SSL certificate, and send users to `https://abc.xyz//accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=ma... or `https://abc.xyz/https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?ser...

They get a green lock, and that certainly doesn't seem to require the user to overlook any more than the URI in question: `data:text/html,https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=mail`

Anyone who treats the URI as an opaque string and simply scans for keywords (which is someone falling for the data: trick) is going to be vulnerable to a large variety of attacks, almost none of which the proposed solution solves.

Re: Wide Impact: Highly Effective Gmail Phishing Technique Being Exploited

#49
post #6

I think most "technical" users would have two-factor authentication enabled which would prevent this type of attack.

No - because the phishing page can act as a MITM attack - where they display the 2-factor login on the phishing page - and post the entered code to Google, confirm they are in (and receive the cookie enabling access) - while displaying the page back to you. So 2-factor actually provides a false sense of security here. Edit: unless you have U2F as per @makomk comment below

What about getting a text message in your phone, a call, or the google mobile app? Will it be effective against this kind of attack?
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