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Modern Tech inside an Amish Horse-Drawn Buggy

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>Despite what you may have heard, the Amish aren’t against technology. Communities adopt new gadgets such as fax machines and business-use cellphones all the time—as long as the local church approves each one ahead of time, determining that it won’t drastically change their way of life. This alone is the most interesting point of the article. People not belonging to the community, like myself, have a fixed preconceiv…

You should see some videos of Amish woodworking shops. They have every tool that a modern woodworking shop would have: table saw, bandsaw, drill press, rotary sanders, etc. Except they are all air powered. They have all been rigged to run off pressurized air lines. The air is produced by a gas generator.

This would seem to be a classic example of a distinction without a difference.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This suggests that if you want to create a company that is acquired by Elon Musk you probably want to design/patent systems and methodologies for building things on Mars :-)

You're making the assumption that IP (designs & patents) will be enforceable on Mars. That sounds risky. You can't even get those guarantees on earth among nation states.

I'd guess they'll be more interested in acqui-hiring you for demonstrated expertise than in buying your IP.

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The Amish attitude towards technology is a pretty good model of what an eventual Mars colony will need. When (or if) people finally travel to Mars to stay, the biggest risk to the colony will be being dependent on imports from Earth. It will always be expensive to send ships from Earth to Mars, so it is folly to assume that resupply missions will continue indefinitely. So a colony which hopes to be viable must be vig…

Anything that can be made locally on Mars is best It has been proposed that many early Martian colonial buildings will be vaulted masonry built using locally manufactured bricks. The weight of the building and soil can serve to contain a pressurized atmosphere. Frozen water could be used in certain environments to make such buildings airtight.

Water ice tends to crack. I don't think it would make a very good airtight sealant.

Re: Modern Tech inside an Amish Horse-Drawn Buggy

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Whenever a discussion of Amish comes up, I have to link to my favorite hard core Anabaptist sect, the Hutterites. Unlike th Amish, the Hutterites love technology. They choose what technology to use as part of a very strict church system, like the Amish, but are very much into diesel engines and the internet and the like (note the link below). See [1] and [2] below. They also live communally in farming colonies of abo…

I knew rural BC was an outpost for Mormon offshoots that still polygamy, but this is actually much cooler. It's weird I've never run into any, I spend a lot of time in eastern washington.

Re: Modern Tech inside an Amish Horse-Drawn Buggy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should see some videos of Amish woodworking shops. They have every tool that a modern woodworking shop would have: table saw, bandsaw, drill press, rotary sanders, etc. Except they are all air powered. They have all been rigged to run off pressurized air lines. The air is produced by a gas generator.

This would seem to be a classic example of a distinction without a difference.

Air tools are far more field serviceable than electrical ones. Furthermore, if your gas engine dies you can fairly quickly rig up something with a horse and a treadmill to spin the compressor.

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post #27

The Amish attitude towards technology is a pretty good model of what an eventual Mars colony will need. When (or if) people finally travel to Mars to stay, the biggest risk to the colony will be being dependent on imports from Earth. It will always be expensive to send ships from Earth to Mars, so it is folly to assume that resupply missions will continue indefinitely. So a colony which hopes to be viable must be vig…

This suggests that if you want to create a company that is acquired by Elon Musk you probably want to design/patent systems and methodologies for building things on Mars :-)

I thought Elon was more interested in tackling the transportation aspect, and wants to leave the actual colonization up to others?

Re: Modern Tech inside an Amish Horse-Drawn Buggy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should see some videos of Amish woodworking shops. They have every tool that a modern woodworking shop would have: table saw, bandsaw, drill press, rotary sanders, etc. Except they are all air powered. They have all been rigged to run off pressurized air lines. The air is produced by a gas generator.

This would seem to be a classic example of a distinction without a difference.

It has to do with wanting something they can in principal maintain forever without outside help.

Re: Modern Tech inside an Amish Horse-Drawn Buggy

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post #21

When I worked for a Wal-Mart in Indiana in the 90s, the Amish would come into the electronics department and buy country music cassettes and battery-powered players. And also, I kid you not, Gameboys.

Toys are toys, there really is very little difference between a gameboy and a book to way of life. Esp if your isolated from marketing BS

Re: Modern Tech inside an Amish Horse-Drawn Buggy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything that can be made locally on Mars is best It has been proposed that many early Martian colonial buildings will be vaulted masonry built using locally manufactured bricks. The weight of the building and soil can serve to contain a pressurized atmosphere. Frozen water could be used in certain environments to make such buildings airtight.

Water ice tends to crack. I don't think it would make a very good airtight sealant.

Actually on Mars it would (or so it's thought) create a sort of self sealing system. The building's atmosphere will contain humidity, so as air leaks out through the super cold Martian soil that moisture will freeze, sealing the leak.

It's also worth pointing out that the buildings don't have to be perfectly air tight. Small slow leaks are quite acceptable.

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